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  1. 7 points
    I have no idea how I keep making my replies so janky. I don't know what it says about me that (I think?) I understand this messy movie. So Cool World is an alternate dimension, Deebs didn't create any of it. They make mention a few times that Cool World has always existed and that humans have passed through it very briefly. We also see that at least one film from our universe has made it into Cool World. My assumption is that this happens after Doc Whiskers opens the dimensional portal into our 1940s and sucks Harris in. The rift between dimensions is now tenuous and certain individuals- the movie doesn't explain but let's just say through dreams or comas or mental breaks or some unknown set of circumstances- can pass briefly between worlds. This is how Deebs is entering Cool World prior to his introduction in the movie. He thinks he's just dreaming up a fantasy world and makes a comic series off of it. Doc Whiskers probably had the sense that beings from each universe cannot come together because it would start the destruction of one or both worlds. Time travel stories all have that rule about not interacting with past or future versions of yourself, I'm not sure if that rule applies to multi-verse stories as well, I don't really read those. At some point after settling Harris into Cool World, Doc Whiskers enters our world as he previously had planned and takes the spike with him. Holli wants to enter the world she's seeing in the film(s) and though Noids; she has all Cool World has to offer and now wants what she can't have. I think she and Deebs start doodling out because they've broken the laws of physics in our universe and can't sustain form. But I'll give you this one; I have no idea if Harris knew he could come back to life as a doodle after being killed by a doodle. That's the only part that doesn't make sense.
  2. 6 points
  3. 6 points
    I am admitting that I have lost all track of what's been done so my apologies if this has been covered recently. Also I had a hard time picking because there's so many things I want us to talk about but it's impossible to narrow them down. Ultimately I think it's time to talk about... Feel free to watch the sequel as well, because I certainly will.
  4. 6 points
    I couldn't help but join the conversation on this one. Here we go... I think others have done pretty good work on the fictional cosmology here. Cool World and our world are part of a multiverse with different levels of chaos/malleability. Our world is pretty solid, while CW is much looser and more easily influenced by visitors (hence the power of ink). Sometimes people from this world can cross over into other worlds in moments of extreme emotion. Mostly they write it off as dreams or visions. Harris visited in a moment of trauma and just flat-out stayed (I'll get back to that in a second), while Jack visited in reaction to his own self-inflicted trauma and turned it into a successful comic book from prison. The stuff with Doc Whiskers and the Spike are pretty well explained elsewhere in this forum. So I'll jump to theme. The movie Cool World is about dangerous imagination. Harris is unique in that he displays practically no imagination. He's Officer Friday crossed with Spock. His retreat into Cool World makes him an anomaly there, a force of rational order in a world of chaotic imagination. So of course he becomes a cop - it's a metaphorical way (which is how CW operates, really) to reconcile his presence there. Harris is also kind of the early 20th century response to dangerous imagination - keep it under wraps and regulated and absolutely NO SEX (think the Hays Code or the CCA). That brings us to Jack. He taps directly into messy, chaotic CW and instead of trying to control it, he turns it loose in the form of a prison comic. He's kind of a stand-in for Bakshi and Crumb and those underground comix guys that shrugged at codes and rules and went wherever their imagination took them, usually into a more extreme place like CW. Holli places in as the seductive and destructive lure of that world, and if we stick with this logic, removing the Spike shows what happens when that lack of intention with regards to creation gets out of control. It is shown to be ultimately unfulfilling and potentially destructive. In the end, while Jack does replace the Spike, he's consumed by his own id (becoming animated and stuck with Holli). Harris on the other hand, through his resurrection as a doodle, embraces his own imagination. So thematically, Cool World wants us to know that we can't deny our creative impulses, but we shouldn't give into them either. Of course, it's also a terrible movie that was put through a blender by the Hollywood system. I can't necessarily say that any of this really works, but it was fun to think about while listening to the episode. Thanks for that, guys.
  5. 6 points
    June couldn’t get over the fact that neither Brad Pitt nor his mom were wearing a helmet while riding the motorcycle, but I was more disturbed by the fact that he took his mom joy riding without letting her turn off the stove. I have to assume that their house was already ablaze by the time the drunk couple crashed into them. Maybe that is why he was ok with staying in Cool World.
  6. 6 points
    Okay I had a look through my notes and I think I can expand on the work @muttnik has already done to flesh this out a bit more. There are a few scenes in the movie that have key lines of dialogue about Cool World and it's relation to the Noid world. First, yes Cool World is in some other dimension or reality that exist parallel to ours. Doc Whisker invented the Spike with hopes of crossing over into Noid world. However, his first experiment brought Brad Pitt through. Upon seeing him Doc says two key things. First, Brad Pitt is the first body from Noid world to come through implying that people can come via their unconscious or vice versa. Later Deeds night club appearance is called a "mind slip" implying that these short visits might not be all uncommon but no one has permanently stayed. Second, Doc states that Brad Pitt is the first body to come through in his life time. We have no idea how old they are or how they age, but later it is stated the oldest rule in Cool World is "Noids do not have sex with Doodles." Could be that sometime before Doc's work somebody mind slipped into Cool World and had sex with a doodle which cause both of them to alternate between doodle and noid to the point of their death. This also explains why at the end Nails and Brad Pitt's girlfriend know that if a Noid dies in Cool World they become a Doodle. Likely this was also long before Doc's time, but as Noids weren't really part of their life so one paid it heed accept Doc who states that inter-dimension travel to the Noid world has been an obsession of his. Now Brad Pitt does state that he's never had to enforce the no sex law but that's not because other Noids haven't visited. In fact shortly after saying that he tells Deeds that Holli has tried to sleep with him and "every other Noid that has come through here." Most likely there have been mind slips with other people in the time since Brad Pitt had been there but nobody has permanently crossed over. At some point after Brad Pitt's crossing Doc Whiskers crossed over and took his spike with him. However given Brad Pitt's car and their access to Marilyn Monroe films we could speculate that he went back and forth bringing things or attempting to bring things over possibly as tests. Doc Whisker's crossing into Noid world did permanent damage to the link between worlds and he had to create someplace to house the spike to keep the worlds apart. This is why he created the casino and why he never went back. The spike maybe what caused others to mind slip into Cool World. It was during a mind slip that Deeds saw Cool World and it inspired his comic. Due to the fact he gets the characters name wrong (he calls the bouncer Chico to which the bouncer replies 'aint no Chico here') these were merely visions he had and never actually spent time there. Sometime later Holli, influenced by the human things she saw, like Pinocchio wanted to be a real and live in the Noid world. However, because no Doodle and Noid had sex in years she was unaware of the impermanent nature of the transformation and sought the spike as a means to heal herself unaware of it's true function of keeping the worlds apart. How the neighbour and wife murder and other plot points fit in your guess is as good as mine.
  7. 6 points
  8. 6 points
    The most improbable thing in this movie was not the existence of an alternate dimension cartoon world but that Jack Deebs channeling his vision of it into a comic book would be a huge hit. I was curious if anyone had theorized what the content of those books would be and found that DC published a 4 issue Cool World prequel comic to go along with the release of the movie. The first issue can be bought online right now for $2.60. It retailed for $1.75 at the time so its value hasn't quite kept up with inflation. They have also been posted online. http://vlcomic.com/read/comic-cool-world-eng/1 I read the first issue and here are some highlights if you don't want to waste your 10 minutes. Harris is a petty criminal in the first issue not a detective. Almost every object in the comic is anthropomorphized. Cool World is one of (many?) cartoon worlds it is right next to Sweet Place. Holli tries to seduce Harris to get to the real world but he won't break that rule even though he is a criminal. Another human enters Cool World while he is dreaming so presumably other than Harris and Deebs that is how Noids get to the cartoon dimension.
  9. 6 points
    If there is only one law in Cool World and no one has ever broken it, why do they even have Brad Pitt as a police officer? Why is there even a police department?
  10. 6 points
    I'm not sure if people know this but if you want a break from bad movies The National Theatre, The Show Must Go On (Dame Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber), and Shakespeare's Globe YouTube channels are all uploading free full length plays for short windows of time for people to watch. If you're into Shakespeare today The National Theatre is doing Anthony and Cleopatra starring Voldemort himself Ralph Fiennes and Sophie Okonedo. And Macbeth next Monday over on The Globe's channel. If you act quickly you can still catch the Cumberbatch/Lee Miller Frankenstein on The National Theatre and The Globe's The Two Noble Kinsmen.
  11. 6 points
    It makes sense in the context of the era but I still hate it
  12. 5 points
    This is not the America the founding fathers envisioned.
  13. 5 points
    The difference in their art style also makes the sole law of "Noids Don't Have Sex With Doodles" feel very weird to me because practically speaking it seems like the law applies to less than 1% of the population. It'd be like if in the US the only law was "360 Dunks Are Not Allowed". Sucks for the people that can and would like to do that. Will never apply to me.
  14. 5 points
    In the same scene, that rabbit is supposed to represent Roger Rabbit. I wouldn't have thought anything about a rabbit with no obvious visual connections between them. The woman who starts speaking to the rabbit is wearing Jessica Rabbit's signature outfit of a red dress with purple opera gloves with purple eye shadow. I don't think that's a coincidence.
  15. 5 points
    Frank's girlfriend asks if he was killed by a Doodle. If so, he will become a Doodle. I don't remember this rule being mentioned before but does that mean she was originally a Noid who was killed by a Doodle and that's how she knows this rule?
  16. 5 points
    Not only that, but as they fly over the city being infected with Doodledom, she triumphantly cries, “We’re free!” and I was like, “Wait, was THAT what you were trying to do? I thought you wanted to be a Noid...or destroy the multiverse...or something.” Welcome to the boards
  17. 5 points
    The comic book adaptation of the film script expanded on the significance of the neighbors. The mother is visited by a police detective who tells her the neighbor she testified against is being released from prison due to the parole board judging him unlikely to reoffend. She says she's been afraid for ten years of him returning. Deebs knows Jennifer or knew her 10 years ago. The interactions between them goes further where he goes to see her school play even though the mom does not want him around. There's a weird attraction thing going on between them in a couple lines that's so much worse with that context. The comic book expands the "Sweet Place" and it's an area where things are different. It's more kid friendly but Deebs ends up sick from the sweets. Also, a major shout out to the George Herriman reference at the end. George Herriman created Krazy Kat and Ignatz Mouse. The landscape is from that comic strip. Pretty fitting for a comic creator to wind up there. The ending has a cool moment where the Cool World starts turning human while the real world turns doodle. The ending for Deebs is also a little different where he's left all alone.
  18. 5 points
    Yes! For Lonnette too! I was like, “Enjoy your eternity of joyless, cartoon sex, I guess.”
  19. 5 points
    There was one moment in the movie that really bummed me out. Not the death of Brad Pitt's mother but rather the said reality of what it means to be a doodle. When Holli is first explaining to Brad Pitt why she wants to be human she talks about the power that noids have. She says "When they touch something they feel it and when they taste something they really taste it and when they do it with a man they really do it." When you think about it it makes sense. Doodles and get blown up, smooshed, beat up and twisted all about and that's because they feel nothing. There is a masochist goon character in this movie who is being tortured just because he too wants to feel something. They have no need to eat or drink which means there is no fun or joy in their bars and dinners. Imagine a life where you only have the senses of sight and hearing and that's it. It's a boring dull life and making connections with others is hard and ultimately not fulfilling. It is a hell and no wonder she wants out. Also if when doodles do it they don't really do it, I feel very sorry for Brad Pitt at the end of the movie...
  20. 5 points
    As the gang and others have already stated, I really had a hard time understanding what was actually happening in the movie. Like, I got the broad strokes of it all, but when it came down to the details, motivations and plot points would seemingly change on a whim--which is truly bizarre in an animated movie. For instance, when Doc Whiskers and Holli meet in Las Vegas, she tells him she wants it so that she can be real. He responds by saying that getting the Spike is impossible, because when *he* tried (because I guess he was trying to become human too?) it almost killed him. But in the very next scene, he tells Deebs and Harris that if she removes the spike it will destroy both universes. So...which is it? Does removing the Spike turn you human or does it destroy the multiverse? And if Doc Whiskers knew that removing it would destroy both universes, why did he even attempt to remove it? I feel like his character is far more insidious than we are led to believe. Of course none of this really matters as the result of removing the Spike turns out to be a completely different scenario in which no one turns human neither universe is destroyed but rather combined.
  21. 5 points
    Among the multitude of story ideas not fleshed out in this movie, one that was not discussed in this episode is the fact that Brad Pitt’s character doesn’t age. This could have been given as an explanation as to why he doesn’t want to leave Cool World. Also, when he returns to our world, they should have showed him in awe/surprise over how things have changed since 1992 Vegas is significantly different from 1945 Vegas
  22. 5 points
    So there are many issues with the comic book store. First, unlike Tall John said there are other comics in the shop it's not just Cool World. We see some Batman and Superman wall books, a couple Akira comics, and in Jack's stack of things he was buying we can see an issue of New Gods and Teen Titans. The fact that DC did a prequel comic is starting to make a bit more sense. Second, all the Cool World books are behind the register. They're like nudie magazines at a convenience store or something in which you have to ask the clerk for them. How are people suppose to look through them? Is Cool World for adults only? Third, they are selling a very rare signed from prison issue of Cool World. What would indicate if a comic was signed in or not in prison? It's issue number 3 so clearly it was published before his time in prison. What's to stop some schmuck from folding an autographed issue they already had in half and claiming it was from prison? That's another thing. The comic is folded in half with a very hard crease. That's got to bring the comic down a ton in value even if it was autographed from prison. Lastly and this is more of an Easter Egg than a nonsensical thing, but the rather larger gentleman in the comic shop is seen reading an issue of Animation Magazine. Not only that but it's an issue with Ralph Bakshi (Cool World's director) on the cover of it.
  23. 5 points
    I wouldn’t have minded the time jumps as much if it wasn’t supposed to be the same character. I might have that wrong and it might just be to show which actor was making the jump. For instance, the first Rumer Willis vignette is titled The College Boy and The Young Wife. The next is The Young Wife and The Husband. THEN it’s The Husband and The Young Thing, set on The Titanic. Both Young Wife segments happened in later decades so The Husband traveled back several decades if it is supposed to be The Husband. if you need me I will be over here binge-watching 7:35 in the Morning (the original pick).
  24. 5 points
    To me the biggest problem with this movie is that they have all these things but don't ever really use them to say anything interesting at all. First, the time jumps are entirely pointless. They really wanted to do solider going to war, Titanic and Cher's Believe but couldn't do them all at once so they came up with this time hoping as an excuse I'm pretty sure. The time jumps go forward and backwards but really tell us nothing. Titanic aside, is there anything gained from putting any of the stories in that time period and not the present? Would the music producer/singer be any different in 2017 than in 2002? In 2017 couldn't you pick up a guy in a bar by saying you're writing a screenplay for Brad Pitt? Nothing is gained or no extra insight is given by having these things set in the different time periods, so why not put them all now? Also by having the actors play the same "role" I got confused because they time jumps were not extreme enough. I literally thought the nurse was the same nurse, and Rummer Willis was the same wife. It's only because her hair was different that I eventually clued in (though her story was somewhat similar which didn't help) but make the jumps a bit bigger or clearer if you are going to do it. And it's not if it's saying "being a nurse in the 60s is sure different than being one in the 40s" The actors playing the same role in different times doesn't change anything because it's who they are interacting with that changes (or doesn't change) their treatment not the time.
  25. 4 points
    I read a long time ago that after Bakshi saw what the studio was doing to the movie, he told the animators to just draw whatever they thought was funny.
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