Prometheus (2012)

[ClydeWheeler 3]

nuff said.

[seanotron 2307]

It does have plot problems and features some of the dumbest smart people in a movie ever, but I don't think it would work.

[choochoo_the_wonder_slut 740]

Damon Lindelof should shampoo my crotch since he's never busy finishing a third act for anything.

[Wien 401]

It does have plot problems and features some of the dumbest smart people in a movie ever, but I don't think it would work.

 

 

Trust me when I say that Prometheus absolutely would work.

[seanotron 2307]

Well, I have seen the movie, so no, I still don't think it would work even though I believe you are a trustworthy person.

 

If they did do it, it would be one of the most critically well-received movies they've done (just below Fast Five on Rotten Tomatoes).

[jarrycanada 2483]

as anyone who listens to this podcast knows, Paul Scheer is a personal friend of Damon Lindelof so it is technical possible but will it ever happen hell no. I don't think paul would hurt Lindelof's feelings. So you could bet money that he's never do it.

 

personally I didn't mind this film. I watched it with a open mind and had very low expectations, so I enjoyed it.

[BagguhMcGuirk 104]

Whether or not you like Prometheus there's no way it's deserving of HDTGM. It has great special effects, maybe the best I've ever seen, an amzing score, and good directing and acting. Yes there are plot problems, and as Sean said, supposedly smart people doing dumb things but the overall movie, when compared to most wide released movies last year, is good. Suggesting this movie is like suggesting a Wes Anderson movie simply because you don't like his movies.

 

The scene where Fassbender enters the secret room is one of the most beautiful, goosebump inducing scenes I've seen in awhile.

Edited March 21, 2013 by BagguhMcGuirk

[choochoo_the_wonder_slut 740]

I didn't know Paul was buds with Lindelof, my bad Paul.

[jarrycanada 2483]

Ya they seem to be old buds, Lindelof did HDTGM show about superman2,3 and Paul was part of the lost comic con panels, he played a super fan and in the video podcasts for lost, he shows up over and over again type his name into youtube plus lost and you'll find them.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1h8Flk18SE

[Shannon 2953]

I still can't even talk about this movie without getting teary eyed. It was the biggest disappointment of my whole movie going life. I waited all summer, and would squeal with delight every time the trailer came on tv. We went to a midnight screening and I thought I was going to see the greatest thing I'd ever seen in my whole life.

 

...Then the movie ended and the whole crowd shuffled out in stunned silence. It didn't make sense. It didn't even try.

 

I just... I just... why?

[choochoo_the_wonder_slut 740]

I feel your pain Shannon. Maybe, like myself, you expected to find out some answers after watching the superhyped prequel to arguably the best sci-fi movie ever? Well, that's just crazytalk. In the sequel they probably end up at the diner from Spaceballs.

[jarrycanada 2483]

You see, Shannon has my point taken. You watch a trailer, read some reviews and get all excited for a big blockbuster movie and get let down.Yet the movie isn't all that bad if your in the right frame of mind and don't expect too much from it or don't try and over analyze it. The studios spend way too much money advertising and hyping up a film at times and some times it works against them. it's sorta like a good comedy movie case in point, "Austin Powers". the marketing of the movie with a trailer that revealed too much and when I got around to seeing the film I didn't laugh at all. I was annoyed. yet years later I watched it on video and enjoyed it. after I had forgoten all of the sillyness that happened in the film.

 

Sometimes you can see a movie trailer and you get more then you expect but those movies are very limited. Quentin Tarantino can do that. when I had seen Django Unchained trailer for the first time I got so excited and you know what, it delivered. but how many home runs can a movie director shot out of the ball park.

[choochoo_the_wonder_slut 740]

To be fair Jarry we're talking about a prequel to one of the most popular sci-fi films ever from one of the greatest directors of our lifetime that was highly anticipated for over 30 years. I don't know if it was possible for Alien/Ridley Scott fans to not go in there expecting the world, especially after seeing the big mysterious dentist patient in the trailer.

 

All that being said, at least it wasn't The Phantom Menace.

[RyanSz 3140]

I am in the small minority that actually really liked the movie. My main problem with it was that they were selling it as the prequel to the Alien franchise and would answer all of the questions from that series but instead left questions for its own series.

 

To me the personalities of all the characters made sense for the most part, seeing as this was set 30 years before Alien. It is mentioned that they were all the best in their fields and were handpicked by Weyland, who was looking for a Fountain of Youth and to him only results mattered. It didn't matter to him if the group worked well together, just as long as they found the Architects alive. On the other side you have Charlize Theron who plays the Weyland suit, only there for the company's interest in finding a way to profit off of whatever was found, and in the middle was Michael Fassbender who was there to test the full capabilities of an alien race's technology for the benefit of the company and Weyland himself. Everyone else is basically cannon fodder as long as the goal of finding the Architects is met.

 

Cut to 30 years later in Alien, Weyland now Weyland-Yutani has had time to figure out just a bit of what has happened, probably as result of the Prometheus sequels that are in development, as well as a way to get what they want from the derelict vessel/Space Jockey/Architects. Again the crew is cannon fodder made up of people who are out of their element, stupid, or vulnerable to cracking under pressure, save for Dallas and Ripley. The android of their crew is now there solely for the sake of the company, devoid of the emotion David showed in Prometheus, and is willing to kill as long as the goal is met.

 

For the most part, Prometheus sets up as a good lead-in to the Alien franchise, but it does have a few plot holes and inconsistencies with some of the crew. The studio should have realized how people were going to react to the movie after using the Alien movies as a selling point, and Lindeloff may not have been the best guy to add questions to an already question filled mythology. And as others have stated, this most likely won't be done since Lindeloff was on the show and may take issue with it, while as someone like Kevin Smith who was also on the show would be fine with one of his movies being discussed.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

One of the things that REALLY stuck out to me that no one else seems to mention is that it seemed like no one on the ship had met until they were already at the ass-end of space and had been asleep for three years. They were heading off on the most important mission in the history of forever, so you'd think they'd want a pretty tight crew, and they didn't even have some sort of mixer or something before they went into cryo-sleep? Yeah, the best time to find out that the Irish guy doesn't like anyone is when you're already fucking there. This movie was full of so many "because the script says they have to" moments. Oh look, a crazy-looking space snake! I'm going to go against my gut on this one and try to pet it...

[RyanSz 3140]

That was my point in my previous post, the crew of specialists were not told of what they were doing or why they were brought together since only the results mattered. I would assume they were ushered in to the ship and immediately told they were going into cryo-sleep since Weyland admitted he was knocking on death's door. He wanted them at the planet as fast as possible in order to see if he could save his life by learning the secrets of the Architects.

 

Now I will agree that the snake petting was stupid, but I think we can all agree that those two needed to die.

[seanotron 2307]

I think the biggest problem (despite the aforementioned plot/editing issues) was one of tone. They couldn't decide whether Prometheus was a Science-Fiction movie or a Horror movie. I'm generalizing here, but Sci-Fi generally concerns itself with asking Big Questions about the nature of existence, what it means to be human, our place in the universe, etc. It's intellectual. Horror is interested in terrifying you (or shocking you). It's visceral.

 

The original Alien was a horror movie that just happened to take place in a science-fiction context. It followed horror rules. it had interesting concepts buried within, but it was mostly about running away from scary things in the dark. And it maintained that tone throughout. If it had been a Big Questions movie, they would have talked about the Space Jockey, they would have dived into the origins of the eggs, etc. But they knew what they were going for and stuck to it.

 

In horror, people do things because the plot needs them to. There's a reason why People Doing Stupid Things In Horror Movies is such a cliche. Even when a movie is skewering that cliche, it still tends to indulge in it (Scream, for example). Horror movies need people to open the hatch in the floor leading to the dark, scary basement, no matter how completely stupid that is. Sci-Fi expects the characters can do dumb things, but it's usually because of some fatal flaw or hubris or they don't have the complete story. Sci-Fi allows for characters to get lost, but it's because the compass fails or the tricorder is experiencing interference, not because the geologist responsible for mapping the alien pyramid is too high to remember where he's at.

 

Prometheus probably would have been better if it had picked one or the other. As it was, the constant switching between genres kind of gave me whiplash. That being said, I actually liked the Science-Fiction part of the movie. Its reach exceeded its grasp, but I like that it at least tried to reach.

 

It's also worth remembering that you had a script by Jon Spaihts that was apparently a more straight-up Alien prequel with lots of clear connections to that story (and more horror-ish), and then you had Damon Lindelhof come in and write a script that was more about the Engineers and What It Means To Be Human (leaning closer to Sci-Fi), and that might explain why the movie can't decide what it wants to be.

 

Or none of this is right and I'm just typing a lot of nonsense.

[Bolognas 32]

I hated this movie. Nothing that happens makes sense. Nothing that anyone does or says makes sense. The movie raises dozens of "what the fuck!?" questions, and answers none of them.

 

I wanted badly to like this, but by the time a "rage virus" style zombie inexplicably shows up and starts murdering people, I was done with it.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

I mean, I didn't hate the movie or anything, and on repeat viewings, I can appreciate it for being different and not being the "Alien" prequel that it was sold as that I STILL want, but how much I end up liking it in the end will depend heavily on IF there's a sequel and if we see both stories continue, because if this ends up being the end, it was a tremendous wasted opportunity. Even if there is another one, there's a chance that it will go even FURTHER off the rails, but even that would be better than if this were the last "Alien" film. As far as what "Prometheus" accomplished, it's frustrating, because while there's a case to be made about leaving some things open to interpretation and asking the audience to question some things, there's a big difference between that and just NOT answering the fucking questions. This was a combination of both, and had the answers been satisfying, I might be more interested in the questions that are still there.

[RyanSz 3140]

They have already began moving forward in getting a sequel started and that Lindelof would not be back as writer saying that he has other commitments.

[seanotron 2307]

Yeah, apparently Spaihts is back in for the follow-up, so who knows where that might go.

[sillstaw 414]

So I saw this movie, and even now, months afterward, I still do not know what my opinion of it is.

 

Full disclosure: I haven't seen any of the other "Alien" movies. (I also haven't seen any of the "Predator" movies, but that's neither here nor there.) Basically, I went in just wanting a good story.

 

I do think it would have been better served if it had decided if it wanted to be a story about people looking for the origins of humanity, or a movie about people getting killed by alien lifeforms. There's probably a decent way to make a movie that does both (I imagine the aliens would have to be more powerful in general, possibly even Lovecraftian), but the way the movie did it came across as if someone tried to meld "2001: A Space Odyssey" with a slasher film.

[jimkiler 84]

The HDTGM review would not beat the Red Letter Media video review so why do it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

 

"why did those two broads run in a straight line when the circle ship was rolling towards them?"

 

I laugh everytime i listen to this review. BTW it is NSFW due to cuss words.

[jarrycanada 2483]

jimkiler that sums it up...

 

sillstaw I can't beleave you have not seen Alien. Please goto a video store and buy the collection, life is too short to have never seen alien, all you need to see is the first two.. How does one go through life and never have seen alien or aliens. I mean do you not have cable.? it's like on tv every single day like Seinfeld.

 

http://www.amazon.co...&keywords=alien

 

I think the real problem people have is they are expecting a aliens movie when it wasn't a aliens movie at all. I guess that is why they called the film Prometheus.

[RyanSz 3140]

The HDTGM review would not beat the Red Letter Media video review so why do it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

 

"why did those two broads run in a straight line when the circle ship was rolling towards them?"

 

I laugh everytime i listen to this review. BTW it is NSFW due to cuss words.

 

I always wondered about that. Run left or right and towards the rolling ship so that it will roll past you, that way when it falls onto its side you won't get crushed either. Bitches be crazy I guess.