Cronopio 127 Posted August 28, 2016 Some (but by no means all) suggestions of canon-worthy films directed by women:  The Hitchhiker by Ida Lupino  Cleo from 5 to 7 by Agnes Varda  An Angel at My Table or The Piano by Jane Campion  Beau Travail or 35 Shots of rum by Claire Denis  Mi Vida Loca by Alison Anders  Salaam Bombay by Mira Nair  Lost In Translation by Sofia Coppola  The Headless Woman by Lucrecia Martel  The Babadook by Jennifer Kent  Fat Girl by Catherine Breillat  American Psycho by Mary Harron  And since we like 80's genre so much: Blue Steel or Near Dark by Katherine Bigelow 4 Share this post Link to post
ForestTaylor 16 Posted August 28, 2016 I would love to see Cleo from 5 to 7 and Beau Travail considered for the Canon. As for other films directed by women, I think it would be great to hear them talk about Wendy & Lucy. Also, I think both Daisies and Meshes of the Afternoon could definitely be considered Canon-worthy. 2 Share this post Link to post
Cronopio 127 Posted August 28, 2016 I think both Daisies and Meshes of the Afternoon could definitely be considered Canon-worthy. Â Definitely - I forgot about Daisies! Share this post Link to post
Muthsarah 124 Posted August 29, 2016 Bigelow was already put up, with The Hurt Locker, but didn't make it in. Â Most of the films you've listed, I've never seen. Including American Psycho, which I have heard so much about over the years (for all the talk of satire, it still feels so toxic, I'm certain I'd hate it), but not until now did I hear it was directed by a woman! Â !!! <----- Seriously! Â The only one I have seen is Lost in Translation. Which, given its crazy popularity among people of a very Canon age (including me, for once, I wasn't too old or too young to miss the boat on this one, I was the perfect age!), as well as all the controversies that have, if anything, gotten more pointed over the years, I do feel it would make for a fantastic episode. Even if, I guess, it would be the "mainstream" pick of all the titles you've provided. 1 Share this post Link to post
Cronopio 127 Posted August 29, 2016 Bigelow was already put up, with The Hurt Locker, but didn't make it in. Â Yeah, it didn't make it in, then again it isn't the kind of overlooked 1980's cult genre movie The Canon loves, is it? 1 Share this post Link to post
gene_shallot 79 Posted August 29, 2016 Most of the films you've listed, I've never seen. Including American Psycho, which I have heard so much about over the years (for all the talk of satire, it still feels so toxic, I'm certain I'd hate it), but not until now did I hear it was directed by a woman! It's SO good.  Speaking of Kathryn Bigelow (K-Bigs), not 100% sure it's The Canon but I've always thought Strange Days was underappreciated. But it's not 80's, so...  Another solid one from the 90's forgotten by time is Eve's Bayou by Kasi Lemmon (so again, not sure if it's Canon fodder since it had such little impact, but a great film).  A few other suggestions -  Clueless by Amy Heckerling  A Dry White Season or Sugar Cane Alley by Euzhan Palcy  (in the "probably too soon" category):  Winter's Bone by Debra Granik  Me and You and Everyone You Know by Miranda July  Wadjda by Haifaa al-Mansour  Fish Tank by Andrea Arnold  A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night by Ana Lily Amirpour  I'm tempted to also suggest others like Wayne's World by Penelope Spheeris or Appropriate Behavior by Desiree Akhavan but I'm likely straying into "films I really like, but not necessarily Canon"-territory, if I haven't already. 2 Share this post Link to post
NathanGordon 1096 Posted August 29, 2016 Cronopio -- those are terrific picks. All of them. I like three in particular. Â Catherine Breillat is usually described/dismissed as "controversial" or "divisive", in the same manner Lars Von Trier is. Like her artistic contemporary, Breillat's concern is sexuality, especially femininity; but where Von Trier sees the second sex as incomprehensible, even monstrous, Breillat explores the discovery of sex, self, and gender in a way that is visceral and vulnerable. It's a female perspective that feels grounded in lived-in experience, for all the honest ugliness and beauty, in a way that is almost completely absent in modern film. Fat Girl is a wonderful film; her early work A Very Young Girl is worth considering, too. Â I listed Beau Travail as my pick in the indulgence thread. Claire Denis is a fascinating and inventive filmmaker, one of my favorites. Any single work of hers would be worth considering but Beau Travail is maybe one of her less "difficult" films and features Denis Levant, whom Americans have finally come around to via Leos Carax. I don't think she's made a bad film, and nearly all of them are great: White Material, 35 Shots of Rum (on many critics top ten in that BBC Culture list), I Can't Sleep, and I even think Trouble Every Day is a misunderstood masterpiece. She is a genius artist. Â Maya Deren's entire body of work is notable and important, not just as a woman but for being an experimenter in the medium who was and is a seminal influence on surrealists then and filmmakers today. This is someone who should have a Criterion release, who should be seen by every serious lover of film -- should definitely be in the canon. Deren is an interesting figure also for being (at the time) in the shadow of her second husband, Alex Hammid, a filmmaker and collaborator who won an Oscar in 1964. There's interesting parallels with Kathryn Bigelow there. 2 Share this post Link to post
Llewellyn_Wells 47 Posted August 29, 2016 I know Devin loves ZERO DARK THIRTY, as do I; and I think this deserves an episode down the road. 1 Share this post Link to post
NathanGordon 1096 Posted August 29, 2016 Others:  Sally Potter -- Orlando  Julie Taymor -- Titus, Frida  Liliana Cavani -- The Night Porter  Allison Anders -- Things Behind The Sun, Grace of My Heart, and Gas, Food, Lodging  Tamara Jenkins -- Savages, Slums of Beverly Hills  Lone Scherfig -- An Education, Italian for Beginners  Randa Haines -- Children of a Lesser God  Susanne Bier -- After the Wedding, Brothers, Things We Lost in the Fire  Doris Wishman -- influential and prolific sexploitation director, invented the "nudie cutie" genre, had to use a man's name or give credit to men on her early films to get distribution. I realize this is a stretch -- Nude on the Moon is not high art -- but I still think she's important.  Virginie Despentes -- Baise Moi (okay, this one is a joke) 2 Share this post Link to post
CarlosFerreira 20 Posted August 29, 2016 Bigelow was already put up, with The Hurt Locker, but didn't make it in. Most of the films you've listed, I've never seen. Including American Psycho, which I have heard so much about over the years (for all the talk of satire, it still feels so toxic, I'm certain I'd hate it), but not until now did I hear it was directed by a woman!  !!! <----- Seriously! .  American Psycho is a masterpiece. It could have been a sleazy, toxic film, but it's not. I remember watching it very much against my will, being blown away by it, and then discovering it had been directed by a woman - and that made all sense.  The Winter's Bone is also brilliant. A tough movie, in which it is for the women to keep things going, by hook or by crook. The violence, when it comes, feels very naturalistic. It's the real anti-revenge film. 1 Share this post Link to post
joel_rosenbaum 1269 Posted August 29, 2016 How about Big, directed by Penny Marshall? You could also make a case for Awakenings or (stretching a little) A League of their Own. After that, it's all garbage. Â Speaking of Bigelow, I will lose my mind if Strange Days makes it in ahead of the Hurt Locker. 1 Share this post Link to post
ZZZ 63 Posted August 29, 2016 On the topic of American Psycho it really bums me out to hear Bret Easton Ellis talk about it. Share this post Link to post
TVsFredSavage 502 Posted August 29, 2016 There are definite traces of the American Psycho performance in Nolan's Batman films. That trilogy seems to pit Bruce against the spirit, mind, and body elements respectively as the trilogy concludes, at last leaving Batman behind and reaching a sort of Nirvana state. Share this post Link to post
SiSquires-Kasten 37 Posted August 29, 2016 I'd vote for Near Dark in a heartbeat. Â Also Meeks Cutoff and Navajo Talking Picture. 3 Share this post Link to post
bri-witched 60 Posted August 29, 2016 Strange Days is my favorite Bigelow film so I'm totally okay with it having an episode. I also really love American Psycho and think its a misunderstood film that could highly benefit from more intelligent discussions outside of the usual "I like when Bateman dances and murders people."  Other picks:  Born in Flames (I'd die if they did an episode on this)  We Need to Talk About Kevin  The Matrix  Wings (1966)  City of God (co-directed)  Persepolis  Grey Gardens (co-directed) 1 Share this post Link to post
Muthsarah 124 Posted August 29, 2016 Persepolis  We need this episode. Sooner rather than later. 4 Share this post Link to post
SaoirseRonantheAccuser 4 Posted August 30, 2016 Julia Loktev's Day Night Day Night is very much worthy of the Canon in my opinion, though it's wildly underseen.  Gina Prince-Bythewood has both Love & Basketball and Beyond the Lights  The Wachowski Sisters have Bound, The Matrix, Cloud Atlas, and Speed Racer, strong arguments for all of them.  Julie Dash has Daughters of Dust, a seminal moment in black film - could be a Vs against Charles Burnett's Killer of Sheep  A Vs episode comparing two iconic documentaries: Barbara Koppel's Harlan County USA vs Jennie Livingston's Paris Is Burning  Nicole Holofcener has a couple movies that are worthy, though I'd put forth Lovely & Amazing as her best.  Larisa Shepitko's The Ascent might be Canon-worthy, I'm a bit iffy on it though.  The best comic book movie ever might be Shari Spring Berman and Robert Pulcini's American Splendor. 1 Share this post Link to post
JonHillman 40 Posted August 30, 2016 I'd easily go for anything directed by Larisa Sheptiko, Agnes Varda, or Chantal Akerman. I'd also like to throw out there that the entire Slumber Party Massacre series was directed by women. Don't know if anyone would vote any of them in (other than me), but I do think that the fact that those all came from women could make an interesting discussion. 3 Share this post Link to post
FictionIsntReal 79 Posted September 1, 2016 Near Dark & Titus are cool looking movies I'd recommend people check out, but don't seem to belong. And since I was just recently discussing Manhunter, Day Night Day Night is the film that rivals it for my most watched. It would be an interesting world in which enough people watched that film for it to be canonical, but we don't live in that world. On the other hand, while I wasn't a big fan of The Piano (I was stupidly annoyed that Michael Nyman's score had so much piano in it!), that could actually qualify. Persepolis is another interesting possibility, we did already let in one non-fiction animated film about the Middle East but this one is sufficiently different. Â Lots of people are recommending movies they like, but may be a bit too niche. Maybe something from Nora Ephron? She basically became THE representative of a sub-genre very popular with audiences if not self-described cinephiles. Admittedly, some of her most beloved work was writing rather than directing. Share this post Link to post
JoshuaBrown 3 Posted September 2, 2016 Girlfriends and Shiela Levine Is Dead and Living In New York are better than any of the films mentioned and are completely canon-worthy due to their influence on GIRLS Â Freakin Stanley Kubrick was a fan of Girlfriends Share this post Link to post
NathanGordon 1096 Posted September 2, 2016 Girlfriends and Shiela Levine Is Dead and Living In New York are better than any of the films mentioned and are completely canon-worthy due to their influence on GIRLSÂ Freakin Stanley Kubrick was a fan of Girlfriends I just saw this for the first time on TCM a couple weeks ago. It was so good! I can't believe I'd never heard of it before. Share this post Link to post
PinkShep 3 Posted September 4, 2016 Would doing another Kathrine Bigelow be the first time a filmmaker gets repeated? (EDIT NOOOOOOOOOO) I ask because she actually seems like a great place to break the seal on that, since her early career is so different from her more recent stuff but both eras have high quality, influential films to talk about, as well as the difference between someone like her growing and changing as an artist while making similar kinds of movies Vs. someone like Spielberg, who has always made a lot of different kinds movies. (Bigelow being more analogues to Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction/Jackie Brown Tarantino becoming Kill Bill/Inglorious Bastards/Dijango Unchained Tarantino...although, in reverse now that I've typed it out...) Â Persepolis also sounds great since Devin and Amy were just talking about how they needed more female coming of age stories, and even ignoring all of the politics surrounding it (which I don't advocate but bear with me) it's fascinating as one of the most direct film adaptations ever. It's the comic, but it moves and has sound. What other film adaptations even come close? Is it an impressive feat or a waste of the form? Share this post Link to post
Muthsarah 124 Posted September 4, 2016 Would doing another Kathrine Bigelow be the first time a filmmaker gets repeated? Â Oh, certainly not. Off the top of my head, Spielberg's been up three/four/five? times (Temple of Doom, E.T/Close Encounters, Jurassic Park twice), Ridley Scott twice (Alien, Blade Runner), and Billy Wilder (EDIT: thrice!) (Double Indemnity, Some Like it Hot, The Lost Weekend). Â EDIT: Also De Palma twice (Mission: Impossible and Blow Out) Coppola twice (Godfather Trilogy, Apocalypse Now), Tim Burton twice (Batman, Ed Wood), and John Carpenter twice (The Thing, They Live). Oh, and Scorsese twice (Goodfellas, Last Temptation of Christ). 1 Share this post Link to post