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Episode 154 - Highlander II: The Quickening LIVE!


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#21 tomspanks

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 10:32 AM

Highlander experts, please help me. Are all Highlanders male? Are they all infertile? Then how are Highlanders born? When does immortality kick in? Some highlanders are young, some are older.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 January 2017 - 10:32 AM, said:

Highlander experts, please help me. Are all Highlanders male? Are they all infertile? Then how are Highlanders born? When does immortality kick in? Some highlanders are young, some are older.


Highlanders are people from the Highlands of Scotland, which is where MacLeod just happens to be from. I can't recall any female Immortals depicted in the original movie, but there certainly were in the TV series. But they would all be infertile. Immortality kicks in when you first receive an injury that would kill a human. In the series there's at least one shown as being perpetually about 10 years old.

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Anyway, the original movie lays out a world and a set of rules, but Highlander 2 denies almost all of this and replaces the explanation of the world with a new, nonsense one. The recut of the movie then disavoys this new explanation, to a large extent. Highlander 3 completely denies the events of Highlander 2 and introduces a new reason to ignore the results of the original film instead. But don't get to used to that because the series disavoys both sequels and most of the original movie to create another version. The fourth movie maintains that continuity and uses it to largely trample on the original film. Any of the further this than that are just too complicated and stupid even for this explanation.

Hope that clears this up for nobody. Enjoy.


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Posted 20 January 2017 - 11:29 AM

View PostWil Dride, on 20 January 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

But don't get to used to that because the series disavoys both sequels and most of the original movie to create another version. The fourth movie maintains that continuity and uses it to largely trample on the original film.


So, the fourth movie maintains the continuity of the T.V. series?
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 11:45 AM

I wanted to expand on Zarathustra's earlier post about this whole electromagnetic shields and UV rays. I can buy that this cockamamie shield blocks electromagnetic waves, including UV rays, but I don't think it would block out all light from the sun. Light has both wave-like and particle-like properties. A shield that blocks electromagnetic waves wouldn't be able to block out light. You'd need a physical block like Mr. Burns' contraption.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:02 PM



This was Roger Ebert's pic for worst movie of 1991. I think he nails it this movie.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:28 PM

I got to see this at a Movie theater. the original highlander movie was a big box office failure and made it's money back on home video years later, Pay tv, something that happen with "The terminator". It didn't do well in theaters. it was rated R and no one knew who Arnold Schwarzenegger was at the time. both movies cleaned up on home video and pay tv rights. now dvd and Blu-ray box sets.

it's too sad that Jason hadn't seen the original film because it is so fucking good. and you can imagine how I was when I heard a second highlander movie was being made and we had got so excited to see this at a shopping mall theater in the 90s and it was Horrible! people in the theater where laughing at it. yet it's not really all that bad but should never of been made. you know they are still talking about making another one!



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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:47 PM

highlander the only movie you can go and see in a theater wearing a raincoat and not be asked to please leave by the police, isnt that right Paul Reubens!

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:49 PM

View PostChicago Pat, on 20 January 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:



This was Roger Ebert's pic for worst movie of 1991. I think he nails it this movie.


Don't know where I've seen that before but I like it....

Ohh maybe here, the night before.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 12:50 PM

View Postjerrycanada, on 20 January 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

I got to see this at a Movie theater. the original highlander movie was a big box office failure and made it's money back on home video years later, Pay tv, something that happen with "The terminator". It didn't do well in theaters. it was rated R and no one knew who Arnold Schwarzenegger was at the time. both movies cleaned up on home video and pay tv rights. now dvd and Blu-ray box sets.

The Terminator opened at #1 in the box office. It made back 2/3 of its budget in the opening weekend and ended up with a box office gross of almost $80M (off of a budget of $6.4M). It was unequivocally a box office success and was the reason that Cameron got to make Aliens two years later.
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 01:12 PM

Just wanna say I absolutely loved this episode and I hope Sam Richardson guests again.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 01:50 PM

I wish they would go back to doing in-studio shows. Makes me sad. :(
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 02:00 PM

My friends and I were big fans of Highlander back in the day. And all I can remember about seeing Highlander II 25 years ago is hating it because of how it completely destroyed the cool premise of the first movie. It wasn't until this re-watch that I found out how bad this movie actually is.

I know Highlander has a tiny fraction of the pop culture following of Star Wars but what Highlander 2 did to the Immortals was way worse than what Lucas and midicholrians did to the Jedi.

Nerdy angst out of the way here are my Fun Notes™ for the movie.

In the battle scene at the start of the movie (in the past and/or Zeist) it makes no sense that so many of the guys are using swords. Bullets work just fine there. Obviously they were because this is a "sword movie" but still I give low marks to generals Connery and Lambert.

Going by the Renegade Version it seems like all those guys in the past can just choose to leave it at any time. And the past seems extremely wack. They appear to live or at least mostly hang out in caves. Why don't they just all hop to sometime better?

The fact the the Porcupine Bros and Michael Ironsides call Lambert Highlander doesn't add up. Shouldn't they have called him his name from their time? I guess they can see that he gets called Highlander while watching their Future TV but if someone I used to know said "They call me Highlander now" I don't think I'd go along with it. Especially someone I already didn't like.

When Connery sees Virginia Madsen in Lambert's apartment he makes a comment like "Some things have definitely improved." That was kind of a shitty thing to say Connery knew Lambert's first wife in the original movie.

Connery tells Lambert (vaguely) how to destroy the shield. Connery just got there and knows nothing about it. Lambert built it.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 02:05 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 20 January 2017 - 12:50 PM, said:

The Terminator opened at #1 in the box office. It made back 2/3 of its budget in the opening weekend and ended up with a box office gross of almost $80M (off of a budget of $6.4M). It was unequivocally a box office success and was the reason that Cameron got to make Aliens two years later.


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I remember that being so. then again I remember going to a Billy idol concert and the biggest problem with the local police was the size of spikes that people had wearing on them. Forget drugs or knives. you've got 6' spikes your going away! blows my mind to think about that now.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 02:23 PM

View PostFister Roboto, on 20 January 2017 - 06:21 AM, said:

OMG I didn't think June was going to be in this ep because it was recorded the same night as Escape From LA.


Why you always gotta be lying to me, bro? Dashed my hopes that you might have the theatrical cut and then breaking my heart by saying June wasn't on the show. Glad that wasn't the case! Can't wait to listen tonight.

So I guess the moral is: lying is okay if it yields a nice surprise.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 02:48 PM

Where is the Highlander 2 documentary?

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 03:20 PM

Meanwhile on another channel!

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 03:36 PM

There has never been a moment in HDTGM history that I laughed at as hard as that interaction with the condescending fan. My stomach hurts.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 06:49 PM

When I first saw the strange woman at the bar that confronts Christopher Lambert I too thought she was wearing some kind of prosthetic. Later as she goes to confront him I realized this was not the case but that first scene when she's yelling at him from the table it looked that way to me. Maybe it was the red tinted lighting and the shadows or something, but my first thought was "Oh, this is Virginia Madsen in makeup trying to see if this really is Connor MacLeod." You're not alone Paul.
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Posted 20 January 2017 - 07:24 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 January 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

I wanted to expand on Zarathustra's earlier post about this whole electromagnetic shields and UV rays. I can buy that this cockamamie shield blocks electromagnetic waves, including UV rays, but I don't think it would block out all light from the sun. Light has both wave-like and particle-like properties. A shield that blocks electromagnetic waves wouldn't be able to block out light. You'd need a physical block like Mr. Burns' contraption.

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Or Wernstrom's mirror satelitte from Futurama.

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I agree it wouldn't block out all light, I just don't see why it would be night if you just wanna block out UV radiation. Plus you can also produce ozone, plus the earth produces ozone (by lightning, UV etc) and I don't know what the fuck the shield even is. Electromagnetic shield isn't a thing, and I don't think can be a thing. If you had a giant emitter of electromagnetic waves in the atmosphere, I don't think it would help at all cause its not gonna absorb any UV. Whenever you hear "electromagnetic" used in movies its almost always a bullshit screenwriter term for 'we don't care the sciency-magic will take care of the logic'. Electromagnetic just means it has something to do with the electromagnetic spectrum, which could be literally anything.
I think this was the early 90s and people were scared of the ozone hole but didn't understand it so it was perfect for use in terrible screenplays.

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Posted 20 January 2017 - 07:29 PM

View Postjustinforabit, on 20 January 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

I wish they would go back to doing in-studio shows. Makes me sad. :(


I like the live shows more to be honest. The energy is higher cause Paul, June and Jason are all trained live improv performers that can work off the audience. I think the ratio of live to studio episodes is perfect right now. Plus they earn the moneys (WAM) and Jason gets to berate the audience.
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