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Posted 20 November 2017 - 09:30 AM

View Postkateacola, on 20 November 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

And I totally forgot Alexis Bledel was in this. It surprised me for a second time when I was rewatching for this week, lol.

This is funny because I completely forgot she was in this and I was so excited when she showed up. I guess this explains why her film career never really took off.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 20 November 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

Granted. I meant to imply that she had done no other Bollywood movies to date. I should have stuck to her credits and not her background.


Just kidding around :)

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

View Postgrudlian., on 20 November 2017 - 04:28 AM, said:

I really liked this a lot in the beginning the more it was like a Bollywood movie. As it left India for London and the USA, it became less of a Bollywood movie which I thought was an interesting way of presenting the story.


I agree. I know I mentioned earlier that I also was digging the first half quite a bit (minus bland Darcy). And the beginning was when it was more "Bollywood". The song/dance numbers in the beginning I liked a lot (especially the ones with Naveen dancing, lol). It wasn't even that the dancing was that great or complicated. But what I liked about the more "Bollywood" song/dance numbers was that they all looked like they were having fun, which made it fun to watch.

When they moved away from those it became less fun to watch because it caused me to pay more attention to how lame this Darcy is.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:25 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 20 November 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

Even the cast didn't find him interesting. There was no chemistry and the end credits never show him singing.

They never show him and Lalita kissing either.
There was that moment where it shows their silhouettes on the beach and it looks like they're going to kiss. But they continue hugging.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:37 AM

View Postkateacola, on 20 November 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

They never show him and Lalita kissing either.
There was that moment where it shows their silhouettes on the beach and it looks like they're going to kiss. But they continue hugging.

According to IMDB that might have been Aishwarya's choice.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:43 AM

View Postkateacola, on 20 November 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

They never show him and Lalita kissing either.
There was that moment where it shows their silhouettes on the beach and it looks like they're going to kiss. But they continue hugging.


This for sure was a nod and a wink to Bollywood films. It wasn't illegal to show kissing in movies, but there were very few kissing scenes for a long time, IIRC. I watched a few classics with Indian and Pakistani friends and there were always scenes of the protagonists nearly kissing - they draw closer and then at the pivotal point they both turn away, LOL. Anyway, there was an interesting article about it.

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There is no legal prohibition on kissing in Indian cinema but it largely vanished from the 1940s until it reappeared in several films in the 1990s, perhaps the most famous being Aamir Khan and Karisma's long smooch in Raja Hindustani (dir. Dharmesh Darshan 1996).


ETA: Forgot to mention that my friends taught me it was "screw in the lightbulb and bounce the ball." Thought that was funny compared with the film, where they say "screw in the lightbulb and pet the dog"

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:43 AM

View Postkateacola, on 20 November 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

I agree. I know I mentioned earlier that I also was digging the first half quite a bit (minus bland Darcy). And the beginning was when it was more "Bollywood". The song/dance numbers in the beginning I liked a lot (especially the ones with Naveen dancing, lol). It wasn't even that the dancing was that great or complicated. But what I liked about the more "Bollywood" song/dance numbers was that they all looked like they were having fun, which made it fun to watch.

When they moved away from those it became less fun to watch because it caused me to pay more attention to how lame this Darcy is.

This Darcy was so fucking boring and like wore his "love" for her all over his face. Like you're supposed to think that he fucking hates her until she stays with them and the little cracks shine through and he's like "oh shit" but this dude was like from moment ONE in love with her and it was so obvious.

I'm sorry I'm such a story purist when it comes to this lol.

Also can someone more knowledgeable about Bollywood musicals tell me are their dance moves supposed to be super literal? It was kinda driving me crazy watching their hands act out every word they sang lol.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 20 November 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

According to IMDB that might have been Aishwarya's choice.


Oh, and then a year after B&P, she starred in Dhoom 2 where she had to do a kissing scene!

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:45 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 November 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

Oh, and then a year after B&P, she starred in Dhoom 2 where she had to do a kissing scene!

I really hope she wasn't forced to do it against her will...
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:54 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 20 November 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

I really hope she wasn't forced to do it against her will...


She said she agreed to it in the few articles I saw, but even in print she sounds she was reluctant.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:03 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 November 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

She said she agreed to it in the few articles I saw, but even in print she sounds she was reluctant.

Ugh Hollywood is such a fucking bummer
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:05 AM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 November 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:


This for sure was a nod and a wink to Bollywood films. It wasn't illegal to show kissing in movies, but there were very few kissing scenes for a long time, IIRC. I watched a few classics with Indian and Pakistani friends and there were always scenes of the protagonists nearly kissing - they draw closer and then at the pivotal point they both turn away, LOL. Anyway, there was an interesting article about it.



ETA: Forgot to mention that my friends taught me it was "screw in the lightbulb and bounce the ball." Thought that was funny compared with the film, where they say "screw in the lightbulb and pet the dog"

Interesting! I was wondering if it was a Bollywood thing or actors choice. Maybe both in this case.

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 20 November 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

This Darcy was so fucking boring and like wore his "love" for her all over his face. Like you're supposed to think that he fucking hates her until she stays with them and the little cracks shine through and he's like "oh shit" but this dude was like from moment ONE in love with her and it was so obvious.

I'm sorry I'm such a story purist when it comes to this lol.

Same though.
Darcy is soooo important and it has to be done right, so I really don't understand how he got cast in the first place.
Feel like maybe they should've switched the actor playing Wickham with the dude playing Darcy. Not that I think the actor playing Wickham could totally pull it off, but think he could've been less bland.

But on IMDB's B&P page it says:

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Johnny Depp and Joaquin Phoenix were considered for the role of Darcy.

I am not sure if I would've liked that either. I don't think Depp could do Darcy justice, Joaquin maybe I guess could've pulled off some Darcy brooding. But still don't know if I'd be fully on board.
I'm too picky though when it comes to Darcy, lol.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:14 AM

View Postkateacola, on 20 November 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

I am not sure if I would've liked that either. I don't think Depp could do Darcy justice, Joaquin maybe I guess could've pulled off some Darcy brooding. But still don't know if I'd be fully on board.
I'm too picky though when it comes to Darcy, lol.

I don't want Depp near anything I love. I'm already having a hard time with him in Fantastic Beasts.

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ETA: Forgot to mention that my friends taught me it was "screw in the lightbulb and bounce the ball." Thought that was funny compared with the film, where they say "screw in the lightbulb and pet the dog"

Omg when he said it the way he did he made it sound sooooo racist I was cringing lmao
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:45 AM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 20 November 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Also can someone more knowledgeable about Bollywood musicals tell me are their dance moves supposed to be super literal? It was kinda driving me crazy watching their hands act out every word they sang lol.

I'm not sure about acting out every word but they do seem to emphasize every beat. Here's the title song from the one movie I've seen. (It's the Bollywood adaptation of While You Were Sleeping.) They definitely choreograph to the beat.

(singing)"We are just like Romeo and Juliet. We're happy, young and <hacking cough> hemorrhaging blood."
-- Mary Lane, Reefer Madness: The Movie Musical (2005)

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 11:52 AM

View PostCinco DeNio, on 20 November 2017 - 11:45 AM, said:

I'm not sure about acting out every word but they do seem to emphasize every beat. Here's the title song from the one movie I've seen. (It's the Bollywood adaptation of While You Were Sleeping.) They definitely choreograph to the beat.

Yeah I don't mean choreograph to the beat but specifically when they are in the market singing about their friend getting married and they act like they are putting rings on their finger when they actually sing about putting a ring on that finger.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:06 PM

At the wedding, Darcy tells his sister:

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Is it an insult to call someone a coconut? Or is this another nod/wink to Bollywood? What does it mean?

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

View Posttaylor anne photo, on 20 November 2017 - 11:52 AM, said:

Yeah I don't mean choreograph to the beat but specifically when they are in the market singing about their friend getting married and they act like they are putting rings on their finger when they actually sing about putting a ring on that finger.

That I don't think they do. Most numbers I've seen are way too wordy to mime every described action.

(singing)"We are just like Romeo and Juliet. We're happy, young and <hacking cough> hemorrhaging blood."
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:11 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 November 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

At the wedding, Darcy tells his sister:

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Is it an insult to call someone a coconut? Or is this another nod/wink to Bollywood? What does it mean?

He's telling her to be who she is and stop trying to "fit in".

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Coconut Named after the coconut, the nut from the coconut palm; in the American sense, it derives from the fact that a coconut is brown on the outside and white on the inside (see also "Oreo" below). (US) a person of Hispanic descent who is accused of acting "white".[80] (US/SA) a black person who is accused of "trying to be white".[81] (UK) a brown person of South Asian descent who has assimilated into Western culture.[82][83][84] (New Zealand/Australia) a Pacific Islander.[85]


Also, this movie was SUCH a waste of Indira Varma! What was the point of her character?
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:12 PM

^ That's Aishwarya Rai's first husband, FYI.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:29 PM

View Posttomspanks, on 20 November 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

^ That's Aishwarya Rai's first husband, FYI.

Oooooh IMDB only has her current husband listed is there a scandal?!

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Also, this movie was SUCH a waste of Indira Varma! What was the point of her character?

This is another thing that disappoints me because Indira is our "Caroline Bingley" who was a mega bitch in the story. In my opinion she's the main source of all Lizzie's hesitations about the Bingley family because she's so gd snotty to them for being so low class. In fact, it's Caroline more so than Darcy that convinces Bingley to leave Jane. In this movie she's just a vain high society girl that wants to just sit by the pool?

Another opportunity missed - In the book while Elizabeth and Jane are staying at the home of the Bingleys, Caroline asks Lizzie to walk about the room with her for a bit of exercise (??? sure why not regency era). I can't quite remember the quotes exactly so just bare with me from this point on lol. So Caroline makes a comment about how Darcy should join them and Darcy says "but why would you want that when my view of you is much better from my current position? isn't that the point of walking about the room?" Caroline of course jokes that Darcy is being cheeky and asks Elizabeth what they should do and she just responds, "Laugh at him."

I think that moment by the pool would have been much more effective if Indira's character had made Lalita walk around the pool with her trying to "show off their bodies" and then they could have had that exact talk about colonialism (because that's actually the best dialogue in the movie).
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