EPISODE 112.5 — Minisode 112.5

[Xandar1977 421]

I could have sworn in the Audible ad, Paul said 'Bram Stroker's Jackula.' That's the porno version?

[FisterRoboto 7499]

Fast & Furious 8 will focus on being more ecofriendly than the previous ones. It will star Vin Biodiesel.

Nah, it's going to be called Infuri8ed.

 

Edit: I guess that's not really disagreeing with you, so I don't know why I started that with "Nah," but whatever.

[FisterRoboto 7499]

I'm watching TMNT right now. Quick question: is anyone not familiar with the Turtles?

 

I don't mean, like, you've never heard of them, but more like, you don't know their origin story, who April is, how they ended up in her apartment - that sort of thing?

 

I'd be really interested to hear anyone's reaction to this movie that knows a lot less about the Turtles than I or most of my friends growing up did. I'm kind of hoping June is in that boat for this ep because I feel like this movie is almost incomprehensible if you don't at least have a baseline knowledge of the Turtles and some of their background.

 

Anyway, I'm off to go remove all the bells in 15 seconds...while working in concealment.

[Cameron H. 23786]

I'm watching TMNT right now. Quick question: is anyone not familiar with the Turtles?

 

I don't mean, like, you've never heard of them, but more like, you don't know their origin story, who April is, how they ended up in her apartment - that sort of thing?

 

I'd be really interested to hear anyone's reaction to this movie that knows a lot less about the Turtles than I or most of my friends growing up did. I'm kind of hoping June is in that boat for this ep because I feel like this movie is almost incomprehensible if you don't at least have a baseline knowledge of the Turtles and some of their background.

 

Anyway, I'm off to go remove all the bells in 15 seconds...while working in concealment.

 

Yeah, I totally get that! I was watching it this morning and wondered the same thing. If you don't have at least a working Turtle baseline, I can't imagine this movie is even a little bit coherent. But, you'll be happy to know, June was there as it was done the same night as Hercules.

 

I'm actually more curious to hear Jason's take as I feel he would have been a little old for the cartoons and movies, but the right age to have maybe read the original comic book run. That's not to say that he DID read them, just that--as a comic book fan--I wouldn't be surprised if he had.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

 

 

Yeah, I totally get that! I was watching it this morning and wondered the same thing. If you don't have at least a working Turtle baseline, I can't imagine this movie is even a little bit coherent. But, you'll be happy to know, June was there as it was done the same night as Hercules.

 

I'm am actually more curious to hear Jason's take as I feel he would have been a little old for the cartoons and movies, but the right age to have maybe read the original comic book run. That's not to say that he DID read them, just that--as a comic book fan--I wouldn't be surprised if he had.

I was about to turn 13 when TMNT2 came out, and while I was never much of a fan, I feel that I'd about outgrown them (except for the video games), so I wouldn't be surprised if the entire HDTGM crew missed the phenomenon, as Paul and Jason are a little older, and June...well, she's a girl.

 

As far as this film is concerned though, aside from maybe some parents, I don't think ANYONE that went to this or caught it on video around that time didn't already have an idea of what the Turtles' deal was. It's at least a little charming in the way it drops you into things and costumes are still fine. On the other hand, the third film looks like it was brought to you by the tech people behind Chuck E. Cheese and the Rock-a-Fire Explosion. In THAT film, every time a Turtle talks, it looks like his head is about to explode.

[jarrycanada 2483]

Fast & Furious 8 will focus on being more ecofriendly than the previous ones. It will star Vin Biodiesel.

 

 

 

Could not help myself. I watched dreamcatcher the other night and I still enjoy that movie. on this weeks episode of Hannibal the topic of memory palaces came up and it made me think of dreamcatcher .

[FisterRoboto 7499]

I was about to turn 13 when TMNT2 came out, and while I was never much of a fan, I feel that I'd about outgrown them (except for the video games), so I wouldn't be surprised if the entire HDTGM crew missed the phenomenon, as Paul and Jason are a little older, and June...well, she's a girl.

 

As far as this film is concerned though, aside from maybe some parents, I don't think ANYONE that went to this or caught it on video around that time didn't already have an idea of what the Turtles' deal was. It's at least a little charming in the way it drops you into things and costumes are still fine. On the other hand, the third film looks like it was brought to you by the tech people behind Chuck E. Cheese and the Rock-a-Fire Explosion. In THAT film, every time a Turtle talks, it looks like his head is about to explode.

That's why I was curious if anyone that saw it now was unaware of the Turtles' background. I'm really hoping that's June's situation, because she generally doesn't seem to have much background when it comes to these kinds of movies. And I love hearing what it's like from someone that doesn't know what the movie assumes they do.

 

And yeah, TMNT 3's animatronics are awful. That's because Jim Henson's Creature Shop didn't do them. But hey, at least Corey Feldman came back! (He was in rehab during TMNT 2's filming)

 

Cameron makes a good point about Zouks. He would have been in his late teens/early 20s when this came out, and I'm sure he was enough of a comics nerd to have at least read the part of TMNT's first run. The cartoon had already run for three seasons by the time Secret of the Ooze came out. The first movie really tried to walk the line between the comics and the cartoons. Obviously, in this one, they didn't give a shit and just tried to make it as over the top as possible.

 

As a 10-year-old, I was all about this. Everything I cringed at while re-watching it now was stuff I remember thinking was so cool and funny back then. Except "A little too Raph." Which I maintain is the only good line in the movie and still made me laugh 20+ years later.

[CommentsFromMyPocket 53]

Am I the only one that was thinking Paul accidentally found a fake trailer and posted it? I saw this movie when it came out and not since. I knew the dialogue was terrible, but even the VO for it was atrociously amateurish. I don't ever recall hearing that VO-preview voice before and it threw me for a loop.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

Am I the only one that was thinking Paul accidentally found a fake trailer and posted it? I saw this movie when it came out and not since. I knew the dialogue was terrible, but even the VO for it was atrociously amateurish. I don't ever recall hearing that VO-preview voice before and it threw me for a loop.

I know that a couple mini-eps back on "Hercules in New York", they played a trailer that was clearly not the original, because not only was Schwarzenegger called Schwarzenegger (instead of Arnold Strong), but there were references to Conan and the Terminator in the voiceover, which weren't things until much, much later. Maybe whoever has been pulling those clips has just been selecting the most popular search that comes up on YouTube or something.

[Cameron H. 23786]

Am I the only one that was thinking Paul accidentally found a fake trailer and posted it? I saw this movie when it came out and not since. I knew the dialogue was terrible, but even the VO for it was atrociously amateurish. I don't ever recall hearing that VO-preview voice before and it threw me for a loop.

 

I hate to break it to you, but I think the trailer really was just that bad...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9jfY7zOBY

 

The part in the trailer that I really enjoyed is when the VO guy heavily implies that the Turtles will just let your ass get wrecked if you aren't actively carrying a pizza: "...knowing, when pizza is close by, help is never far away." Knowing that, I would have loved a scene to play out like this:

 

DONATELLO: Mikey! That old lady is getting mugged! [Draws Bo staff] We gotta save her!

 

MICHELANGELO: [Leaning against a wall. Disinterested] Does she have any pizza?

 

DONATELLO: Well, no...

 

MICHELANGELO: [Eyes narrow. Whispers] Fuck her.

[CommentsFromMyPocket 53]

 

I hate to break it to you, but I think the trailer really was just that bad...

 

 

Jesus...When I listened to it I was thinking, "The deliveries couldn't be THAT bad, could they? This has to be fake"...No...No...This movie is apparently just that terrible. Must watch again.

[Joven 373]

Speaking of trailers, I watched the shit out of this movie on VHS, and the main thing that stuck with me was the trailer for The Commitments. Like I'll probably always remember the little sax bit at the end, and that it had Chief O'Brian in it. Yet despite getting that stuck in my head and thinking "maybe that's a cool movie" whenever I watched TMNT 2, I've still never watched The Commitments. Is it any good?

[Cameron H. 23786]

Sorry, I've never seen The Commitments, but you brought up a memory for me. When I was growing up we had the VHS of the first Turtles movie and this Pizza Hut commercial is now indelibly written in my DNA:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6Zsxicrc8

 

 

EDITED TO ADD: I just watched the trailer for The Commitments. Wow. Who ever thought that was a good trailer to put before The Secret of the Ooze? Here's a movie about a group of young, working class Irishmen who want to start a soul music group. Will there be lots of smoking in it? Yes. Will a skeezy, mustachioed gentlemen lay naked atop a woman as if they are about to engage in sexual congress? Oh God, yes! Now, onto your feature film based on a Saturday morning cartoon filled with wacky sound effects.

[Missy Chrissy 40]

I was 10 when TMNT 2 came out. It will forever be one of my favorite movies. I will defend Ninja Rap until my dying breath.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

 

Yeah, as a huge Turtle fan as I kid, this pissed me off as well. I also never understood why the Foot weren't robots in the films. It wasn't until I was older, when I learned about rights and stuff, that I realized that the movie (the first one anyway) was very much in line with the original comic books and the Foot Clan weren't originally robots. It's really a damn shame they couldn't go with a robot Foot Clan though, I think the movie(s) could have been so much cooler as the Turtles could have let loose more. It reminds me of something mentioned on Rachel and Miles X-plain the X-men and how Marvel had this character with metal claws (a little known character whose name escapes me) whom Marvel wanted us to think was this badass, murderous dude, but they never could show him actually DO anything. The only time you could see him cut loose is if the X-Men were fighting the Sentinels. The X-Men cartoon used to drive me crazy for the same reason, this character (God, I wish I could remember his name) would go: "RahhrrrRRRR!" and pop his claws, but in the next scene (if they were fighting non-robots), the claws would be gone. Fuck that, man! That's your power! Gut those dudes!

 

Still, it could have been worse...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S6mOBRi-Zk

Pretty much all of the cartoons that I grew up on were guilty of this, like swords couldn't be used AS swords. If someone used some sort of edged or stabby weapon (That's what you call something that goes through someone, right? Stabby?), they'd either totally whiff it and miss it entirely if was any sort of living creature, or (as you mentioned) they'd shred the hell out of it if it was mechanical. As far as the TMNT flicks are concerned, I don't think I've ever seen so many things get hit with the SIDE of a sword.

 

This also brings to mind the bit in the original "Star Wars" when Obi-Wan says something to the effect of "This is clearly the work of Imperial Stormtroopers, because only they can kill so precisely" or whatever, because that's apparently the only time in the entire series that they did THAT correctly, and of course it happened off-screen. I want to see the missing scene where they're out on patrol or something, come across a terrible sandcrawler wreck, and then just laser the shit out of the already-dead Jawas.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

I don't know how THIS hasn't been posted yet...

 

[Joven 373]

Sorry, I've never seen The Commitments, but you brought up a memory for me. When I was growing up we had the VHS for the first Turtles movie and this Pizza Hut commercial is now indelibly written in my DNA:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6Zsxicrc8

 

 

EDITED TO ADD: I just watched the trailer for The Commitments. Wow. Who ever thought that was a good trailer to put before The Secret of the Ooze? Here's a movie about a group of young, working class Irishmen who want to start a soul music group. Will there be lots of smoking in it? Yes. Will a skeezy, mustachioed gentlemen lay naked atop a woman as if they are about to engage in sexual congress? Oh God, yes! Now, onto your feature film based on a Saturday morning cartoon filled with wacky sound effects.

 

Actually, I guess I was wrong. There were 3 main VHS tapes that I played tons and tons of times back then, TMNT 2, a tape from the Super Mario Bros Super Show with the steamboat episode, and Hot Shots. I guess I got them confused in my mind since just looking it up it looks like it was on the Hot Shots tape, which makes more sense I guess (although for some reason my brain just puts that trailer right next to the BK Kids commercial from the TMNT 2 vhs opening, so I'm sure in a few days I'll just forget which one it was on again.)

[FisterRoboto 7499]

Sorry, I've never seen The Commitments, but you brought up a memory for me. When I was growing up we had the VHS for the first Turtles movie and this Pizza Hut commercial is now indelibly written in my DNA:

Before I even hit play, I was like, "This is the one with 'Right Field,' isn't it?" I saw that commercial so many goddamn times...

 

And going with the idea of how when pizza is nearby, help is never far, isn't that the whole setup for the first scene? Keno goes into the mall (that's a mall, right?) to stop the dudes stealing nondescript boxes of god-knows-what. And the Turtles show up because there's pizza. What if there weren't dudes stealing shit? Would they have just beaten the shit out of Keno and stolen his pizza?

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

Before I even hit play, I was like, "This is the one with 'Right Field,' isn't it?" I saw that commercial so many goddamn times...

 

And going with the idea of how when pizza is nearby, help is never far, is that the whole setup for the first scene? Keno goes into the mall (that's a mall, right?) to stop the dudes stealing nondescript boxes of god-knows-what. And the Turtles show up because there's pizza. What if there weren't dudes stealing shit? Would they have just beat the shit out of Keno and stolen his pizza?

If I remember correctly (I probably don't), weren't these "thugs" also wearing sweaters and khakis or something? I don't think I'm assuming too much when I say that this wasn't exactly the most accurate portrayal of gang culture that we'd see in movie theaters in 1991...

[Cameron H. 23786]

Would they have just beaten the shit out of Keno and stolen his pizza?

 

I don't see how we can assume otherwise...

 

If I remember correctly (I probably don't), weren't these "thugs" also wearing sweaters and khakis or something? I don't think I'm assuming too much when I say that this wasn't exactly the most accurate portrayal of gang culture that we'd see in movie theaters in 1991...

 

You mean the battalion of hoodlums with ecru pantyhose covering their faces didn't scream, "This is what life on the street looks like" to you?

[liebot 55]

You mean the battalion of hoodlums with ecru pantyhose covering their faces didn't scream, "This is what life on the street looks like" to you?

It certainly portrayed accurately the inevitable downfall of most gang members; left belted on a light fixture dangling above a "human pile"

[pepperjack 303]

The Commitments trailer has the scene in the confession about Percy Sledge, right? My mom loved that scene.

 

 

Tangent: that kid who sang in the movie was like 16 or 17 years old. Still blows my mind, you would think it was someone much older.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

 

I don't see how we can assume otherwise...

 

 

 

You mean the battalion of hoodlums with ecru pantyhose covering their faces didn't scream, "This is what life on the street looks like" to you?

Maybe if there was a bit more song and dance, because up to that point, "West Side Story" and Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video were the gold standards for how hardcore gang warfare could be.

[FisterRoboto 7499]

Maybe if there was a bit more song and dance, because up to that point, "West Side Story" and Michael Jackson's "Beat It" video were the gold standards for how hardcore gang warfare could be.

If you're not belting your hands together to have a knife dancefight, you're not REALLY in a gang.

[PlanBFromOuterSpace 3138]

If you're not belting your hands together to have a knife dancefight, you're not REALLY in a gang.

And of course you have to have all of the choreography worked out with your opponent before that, because you don't want to look like a BITCH to your boys for not holding up your end of the knife dance fight. They'll ride your ass hard at the next rehearsal and you'll never hear the end of it.