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So, you're basing this entirely on a low RT score and not because you've actually seen it? A low RT score can mean anything. It doesn't mean it's crazy bad or interesting bad. It could mean it's "completely unwatchable or boring and not worth talking about at all" bad. I haven't seen it either, because it isn't out yet, but there's at least one earlier cinematic attempt at the Fantastic Four that I'm sure is much worthier of discussion...

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So, you're basing this entirely on a low RT score and not because you've actually seen it? A low RT score can mean anything. It doesn't mean it's crazy bad or interesting bad. It could mean it's "completely unwatchable or boring and not worth talking about at all" bad. I haven't seen it either, because it isn't out yet, but there's at least one earlier cinematic attempt at the Fantastic Four that I'm sure is much worthier of discussion...

 

I'm mentioning it because it's a shockingly low RT score, and because they occasionally do eps on films that are still in theaters. (After Earth, for example.) This is looking like it might be a good pick for such an episode.

 

You're right; a low RT score can mean a lot of things. But a sub-10% makes it pretty fucking clear that it's horrible.

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I haven't seen it either, because it isn't out yet, but there's at least one earlier cinematic attempt at the Fantastic Four that I'm sure is much worthier of discussion...

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This particular FF was a flop and the lead actress, DeBrie Bardeaux, ended up in a gay porn series, Straightbait, and became addicted to drugs.

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The first Fantastic Four movie (which a lot of people didn't like and had an extended snowboarding scene--one of Paul's signs of bad movies) got a 27% on RT. I'm pretty impressed they managed to beat that. Will have to see it and report back. Am obsessed with comic book movies.

 

The 4% will probably go up as more people review it. Even Pixels got some good reviews. But I think it's a pretty good indication that this movie is going to be bad. That is even lower than Catwoman and Elektra. http://www.superheronation.com/2011/08/22/rotten-tomatoes-ratings-for-superhero-movies/

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This particular FF was a flop and the lead actress, DeBrie Bardeaux, ended up in a gay porn series, Straightbait, and became addicted to drugs.

"Daddy needs to get his rocks off."

 

Anyways, the Corman Fantastic Four film would obviously be a great HDTGM pick, but I can't imagine they'd ever pick a film that (to my knowledge) basically can't be watched through any 100% legal means.

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I just wrote a bunch about this, but my connection dropped and now it's lost to the ether. Oh well...

 

But basically, if anyone's interested, Kevin Smith has been releasing a lengthy interview he did with Josh Trank on Fatman on Batman. Three parts have already been released with the fourth and final part coming out next week.

 

It's honestly pretty interesting, if only to hear him talk about the making of this movie and what he was trying to do with it and how it juxtaposes with what the critics are saying. It's like they specifically take each and every one of Trank's points and then argue he achieved the exact opposite.

 

It's pretty fascinating in an art's "intention" vs. its "reception" kind of way.

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I'm thinking of seeing this on my day off but really aren't looking forward to it. Everything I've read about it makes it come off like the Hulk movie with Eric Bana in that it took a while to build up to anything and then really didn't deliver. I'll try and keep an open mind about this, but I ain't expecting greatness.

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I'm thinking of seeing this on my day off but really aren't looking forward to it. Everything I've read about it makes it come off like the Hulk movie with Eric Bana in that it took a while to build up to anything and then really didn't deliver. I'll try and keep an open mind about this, but I ain't expecting greatness.

Unlike the Hulk movie though, I know the new F4 movie is crazy short. I built it last night and will be checking it out here in an hour so. I probably wouldn't watch half the stuff that comes out if I didn't get in for free...

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Fantastic Four is only 10 minutes shorter than Incredible Hulk though (1hr 45 minutes for F4 compared to 1hr 55min for IH), and while it took 45 minutes for the Hulk to appear to fight Hulked out poodles, I guess nothing really picks up in F4 until over an hour into the movie, so that has me kinda worried.

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Fantastic Four is only 10 minutes shorter than Incredible Hulk though (1hr 45 minutes for F4 compared to 1hr 55min for IH), and while it took 45 minutes for the Hulk to appear to fight Hulked out poodles, I guess nothing really picks up in F4 until over an hour into the movie, so that has me kinda worried.

Incredible Hulk was shorter, but the Ang Lee one with Eric Bana was much longer at 2 hours and 18 minutes. Anyway, I just got done with the new F4, and it was pretty decent. It wasn't extraordinarily crazy and there wasn't anything particularly bad about it. I still think the Corman one would make for a great discussion though.

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You're right, I got the Hulk movies mixed up, but still 30 minutes can be just padding especially in the Hulk movie which was mostly dialogue, which is what this F4 movies seems like it's going to be a lot of. My main problem is that the team even though they predate the X-Men by two years, I feel they are the lesser quality team. While they had Dr. Doom and Galactus as villains, only hardcore comic fans can name any other serious rogues the team had while the X-Men had a bevy of villains and foils to go against the team. The other problem is that the F4 is going through the same thing that happened with Spider-Man in that we already saw an origin story and the main villain, what else can you give us and Sony hasn't been able to come up with anything. I'm hoping that Marvel does another deal with the company as they had with Spider-Man and would love to see a current age Reed Richards where he's the know-it-all dick who's a member of the Illuminati or when he brought the zombie virus into the Marvel Universe, because that was the only time his character was truly interesting.

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You're right, I got the Hulk movies mixed up, but still 30 minutes can be just padding especially in the Hulk movie which was mostly dialogue, which is what this F4 movies seems like it's going to be a lot of. My main problem is that the team even though they predate the X-Men by two years, I feel they are the lesser quality team. While they had Dr. Doom and Galactus as villains, only hardcore comic fans can name any other serious rogues the team had while the X-Men had a bevy of villains and foils to go against the team. The other problem is that the F4 is going through the same thing that happened with Spider-Man in that we already saw an origin story and the main villain, what else can you give us and Sony hasn't been able to come up with anything. I'm hoping that Marvel does another deal with the company as they had with Spider-Man and would love to see a current age Reed Richards where he's the know-it-all dick who's a member of the Illuminati or when he brought the zombie virus into the Marvel Universe, because that was the only time his character was truly interesting.

I think the build-up in this is a lot more bearable than Hulk, as while there's a lot of techo-stuff going on, it's not as weighed down in the language, and everyone gets their moments. There's also some good character interaction, and the origin is similar but different enough to not seem like a complete rehash. Also, unlike Spider-Man, they're not going to stretch this rebooted origin out through the entire series, thank God. The powers and personalities are handled pretty well, and I'd be interested in seeing their interaction with the X-Men if that ever happens.

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I knew someone would make this thread. I'd like to reserve my judgement but this video was pretty revealing:

 

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Its fucking dumb in an age of well written comic book movies, something as blah as this gets released. This essentially feels like they did the exact same thing they did with Roger Corman ie greenlighting something that they know lacks in quality just so they can desperately hold onto the rights of a property they have absolutely no idea what to do with.

 

The Spiderman franchise is goddamn crazy when you think about it too. Made three last one turned out shit, so they reboot release two more, they find out that Andrew Garfield is an enormous asshat and fire him and reboot again so that they can still make an already announced Sinister Six and Venom movie which were going to be part of the first reboot, only for them to be pushed back so that they can still tie them in with the second reboot.

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Recently on Twitter, the director of this movie claimed that

A year ago I had a fantastic version of this. And it would've received great reviews. You'll probably never see it. That's reality though.

 

Well, sure. I'm sure it's the studio that made him put off all the action scenes for an hour. "We need more origin story! Nobody comes to a superhero movie to see action, they want to see how they get their powers!"

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The powers and personalities are handled pretty well, and I'd be interested in seeing their interaction with the X-Men if that ever happens.

 

I believe they are trying to get that crossover going.

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I just wrote a bunch about this, but my connection dropped and now it's lost to the ether. Oh well...

 

But basically, if anyone's interested, Kevin Smith has been releasing a lengthy interview he did with Josh Trank on Fatman on Batman. Three parts have already been released with the fourth and final part coming out next week.

 

It's honestly pretty interesting, if only to hear him talk about the making of this movie and what he was trying to do with it and how it juxtaposes with what the critics are saying. It's like they specifically take each and every one of Trank's points and then argue he achieved the exact opposite.

 

It's pretty fascinating in an art's "intention" vs. its "reception" kind of way.

 

Although I wonder if that's all kind of undermined by the fact that he's now trying to disown it by claiming studio interference.

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Although I wonder if that's all kind of undermined by the fact that he's now trying to disown it by claiming studio interference.

 

I had the exact same thought...

 

Now I'm looking at the interview in a totally different way. I mean, I in no way expected he would do a huge interview and trash his soon to be released movie, but to hear him talk passionately about the movie just a couple of weeks ago and now we see him distancing himself from it is so very "Hollywood" and reeks of insincerity. In the interview, I believe he explicitly states that a lot of it was exactly how he envisioned it and that his relationship with the studio was positive and collaborative. He also stresses how important it is for someone trying to make it in Hollywood needs to know when to keep their mouth shut. It just leaves me thinking, if you don't feel the movie is very good or the result has been marred by studio interference, why do the interview at all? Or, if you are just lashing out because it truly was your vision and viewers just aren't responding to it, fuck 'em. Stand by your work. I will admit, there are times in the interview where he comes off as a bit immature, out-of-touch, and a bit of a douche-nozzle, but I kind of ignored that. Now, with his latest actions, he all but confirms that that's exactly what he is.

 

What's going to be interesting is that the fourth part of the interview is supposed to come out next week. Granted it was probably recorded a month ago, but they do address the fact that the fourth part is scheduled to come out the week after the movie was to be released. I'm just wondering if Kevin Smith is going to address the recent controversy in his intro/outro...I'm sure Kevin Smith is going to give the movie glowing reviews, that's just the type of person he is, but how can you not address that this person you spoke to for four hours and was telling you how awesome his movie was is now saying that it was ruined be studio interference? The whole interview now seems incredibly disingenuous.

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I had the exact same thought...

 

Now I'm looking at the interview in a totally different way. I mean, I in no way expected he would do a huge interview and trash his soon to be released movie, but to hear him talk passionately about the movie just a couple of weeks ago and now we see him distancing himself from it is so very "Hollywood" and reeks of insincerity. In the interview, I believe he explicitly states that a lot of it was exactly how he envisioned it and that his relationship with the studio was positive and collaborative. He also stresses how important it is for someone trying to make it in Hollywood needs to know when to keep their mouth shut. It just leaves me thinking, if you don't feel the movie is very good or the result has been marred by studio interference, why do the interview at all? Or, if you are just lashing out because it truly was your vision and viewers just aren't responding to it, fuck 'em. Stand by your work. I will admit, there are times in the interview where he comes off as a bit immature, out-of-touch, and a bit of a douche-nozzle, but I kind of ignored that. Now, with his latest actions, he all but confirms that that's exactly what he is.

 

What's going to be interesting is that the fourth part of the interview is supposed to come out next week. Granted it was probably recorded a month ago, but they do address the fact that the fourth part is scheduled to come out the week after the movie was to be released. I'm just wondering if Kevin Smith is going to address the recent controversy in his intro/outro...I'm sure Kevin Smith is going to give the movie glowing reviews, that's just the type of person he is, but how can you not address that this person you spoke to for four hours and was telling you how awesome his movie was is now saying that it was ruined be studio interference? The whole interview now seems incredibly disingenuous.

If he hasn't already, I'm sure that Smith will mention that the studio wanted him to put a giant robot spider in Superman, because we haven't heard THAT story in a week.

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Its just such a shame, Fantastic Four has the potential to be an awesome movie. Its insane that they could have made a more well received movie if they just point blank copied everything The Incredibles did.

 

The mid 2000's Fantastic Four movies did a great job at getting the tone right, they were just hampered by terrible writing. But in terms of the lightness and self-realization that this is a movie with a villian named Victor Von Doom, and the main hero is a dude who stretches, I think they did a decent job.

 

This movie is just so angsty its overwhelming.

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I had the exact same thought...

 

Now I'm looking at the interview in a totally different way. I mean, I in no way expected he would do a huge interview and trash his soon to be released movie, but to hear him talk passionately about the movie just a couple of weeks ago and now we see him distancing himself from it is so very "Hollywood" and reeks of insincerity. In the interview, I believe he explicitly states that a lot of it was exactly how he envisioned it and that his relationship with the studio was positive and collaborative. He also stresses how important it is for someone trying to make it in Hollywood needs to know when to keep their mouth shut. It just leaves me thinking, if you don't feel the movie is very good or the result has been marred by studio interference, why do the interview at all? Or, if you are just lashing out because it truly was your vision and viewers just aren't responding to it, fuck 'em. Stand by your work. I will admit, there are times in the interview where he comes off as a bit immature, out-of-touch, and a bit of a douche-nozzle, but I kind of ignored that. Now, with his latest actions, he all but confirms that that's exactly what he is.

 

What's going to be interesting is that the fourth part of the interview is supposed to come out next week. Granted it was probably recorded a month ago, but they do address the fact that the fourth part is scheduled to come out the week after the movie was to be released. I'm just wondering if Kevin Smith is going to address the recent controversy in his intro/outro...I'm sure Kevin Smith is going to give the movie glowing reviews, that's just the type of person he is, but how can you not address that this person you spoke to for four hours and was telling you how awesome his movie was is now saying that it was ruined be studio interference? The whole interview now seems incredibly disingenuous.

 

Well to be fair, it's not beyond Hollywood to do drastic recuts of a film before release, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that Fox did just that and Tranck had no knowledge of it while he was being interviewed. There's no way of knowing whether this happened of course, but I think it's unfair to peg a filmmaker as disingenuous in this context, simply because we don't know what happened in the studio.

 

Also, I feel terribly sorry for Tranck. He didn't seem to be trashing his film in that Twitter post, he just sounded defeated. Can you imagine yourself in his position? Just 31 years old, his first film was critically acclaimed and a box office hit, and on track to direct a Star Wars film. Now his newest movie is getting dismal reviews, he lost the Star Wars gig, and people are already writing him off as a failure. This is why the pattern of hiring indie directors to do studio films is awful. For every Colin Trevarrow and Gareth Edwards, there will be far more filmmakers who simply aren't ready to handle $150 million dollar budgeted films and will inevitably be manhandled by producers.

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