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The playfulness of serial killers, the director of The Country Bears calls in, and more on this week’s mini-sode! Paul opens up the Explanation Hope Line, goes through Corrections and Omissions for Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives, and shares a deleted scene from the Jason Lives episode. Plus, find out which movie we will be watching next week! This episode is brought to you by Betterhelp (www.betterhelp.com/bonkers). Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: http://www.earwolf.com/show/unspooled/ Check out our tour dates over at www.hdtgm.com! Check out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepubli…wdidthisgetmade Where to Find Jason, June & Paul: @PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter @Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on Twitter

Has anyone seen the sequel, Shock Treatment, or is that a conversation best left for another week?

I have thoughts on the movie but am in the middle of the elementary school day and want to write about it when I have more time (we all watched it together! JK, obviously). I’m sure you all will be waiting with baited breath.

I'm not entirely sure what they do at live Room showings but I'm kind of against those in general. The Room seems more like its just insulting a bad movie and Rocky Horror is about championing something they love. I'm familiar enough with a lot of the Rocky Horror specific bits from knowing people who like it. It's all just not for me personally.

Yeah I feel the same way. I definitely don't want to erase anyone that has any problems with it, cause that's in and of itself reductive.

I haven't read his review yet, but going off of context within this post I assume it's about trans representation? Cause I have a trans friend that fucking HATES this movie because of the problematic parts. I can not speak to that myself but as a little blossoming 13 yo bi girl this kinda opened my eyes to things other than the way they had been fed to us all up until that point. I do have to say that a lot of terms and ideas were more in the lexicon in that era than they obviously are now, but that definitely isn't an excuse for a lot of the call backs being continuously used these days.

Continued: I know Tim Curry was all in on this since he starred in the L.A. stage show that gave rise to the movie. I don't know if anyone else transferred to the screen (other than Richard O'Brien of course).

Has anyone seen the stage production? I saw a revival in the early 2000's and remember thinking I liked it better than watching the movie on its own. I admit wondering what the filmmakers thought when they were making it. For me knowing their intentions would help my enjoyment of it. Like @Cameron H. I bought the Blu-Ray during a Black Friday sale especially because it came with a digital copy. For me the fun is shouting back at the movie. I was doing that when I watched it. Lines came flooding back from my memory.

I think I caught some of it as a kid, but I don't think I really got it at the time and kind of wrote it off. Then, I want to say about two years ago, it was on sale on iTunes right before Halloween so I went ahead and bought it. My thinking was, if I still didn't like it, I was only going to be out the cost of a rental. I think it's definitely the type of movie that you have to be in the right mindset for. I read @Quasar Sniffer's Letterboxd review and he isn't wrong. However, I don't think the movie is trying to be malicious and is no more problematic than 95% of movies made before 1999. It's strange to think that as a society we might actually be more woke than Rocky Horror...

I've never been to a live showing of The Room but I can't imagine it's the same thing. I think what makes The Room hilarious is sitting with a small group of friends and you can each laugh together, but for Rocky Horror it's a full on production with call outs and not just throwing spoons. Plus the people that actually act it out in front along with the movie are legit putting their all into the production which makes it a lot of fun. I have also seen a legit stage production without the movie once and that was also a lot of fun because you get the talent of people actually singing themselves mixed with the ability to call out nonsense at them. That may have been my favorite viewing.

I've seen this twice and both at home. Once in middle school by myself and didn't like it. I saw it again in college and, again, didn't like it. I've had people, as you've said, insist you need to see it live with audience participation. I've had big fans this week tell me it's just as good at home. Personally, I don't think the audience participation or shadowcast sounds like my thing. I've avoided live shows of the The Room for the same reason. So, maybe this just isn't for me.

I did enjoy it enough though that I'm curious to go to one of these sometime! Remind me next year haha

Yeah if you genuinely want to know what's happening then the shadowcast performance is not going to do right by that. The first time I saw it live they had decided the dinner scene was too boring and had the whole audience throw around a beach ball and started making jokes that had nothing to do with the movie lol.

I knew the people at the church and in it were Riff Raff, Magenta, and Columbia but I never realized the wedding guests were the guests later doing the Time Warp. I saw one face in the wedding guests and thought they looked familiar.

I saw it live without an official shadow cast but there were people dancing at the front and we just basically all had fun. Back then it was only midnight showings on weekends at the local theater. What I loved was there were some trailers beforehand like Die Hard and America 3000. We yelled back lines at those as well.

I saw this for the first time, in its entirety, maybe two years ago. I watched it by myself and I loved it.

Who hadn't seen this before? I'm super curious to see if this lands without the shadowcast performance for a first time. I saw it for the first time at 13 when my best friend's mom offered to take our little group to he performance in Dallas, and I remember seeing the name pop up on TV and asked my mom if we could watch it since I was going that weekend. She basically was like, "Nope you're not allowed to see that!!" I was so confused because I was like well uh I'm seeing it this weekend I don't understand... But I didn't question it cause I didn't want to jinx not being allowed to go see the actual show. Turns out it's because of how purists take watching it at home for the first time. They absolutely find that as "that doesn't count." So I find myself very lucky to have seen it live for the first time because it totally changed my life after that.

this was fun!

Paul & June Shirt

I admit I did misread the original post that episodes should be uncut versus as uncut as possible. I agree with you. I'm really just trying to offer an explanation that I think editing is good for the episodes and speculating why certain things probably get cut (or relegated to a mini). Getting people to listen to minis is probably part of it. The runtime is purely guesswork on my part but I'd be surprised if a network as big as Earwolf doesn't take that into consideration For episodes you mentioned specifically, I'll speculate. Hobbs and Shaw is part of a series that HDTGM has done regularly and maybe they expect a bigger built in audience no matter what. For Drop Dead Fred, that was a very unusual episode and maybe they wanted as few cuts as possible to allow both sides time to speak. Or maybe they were experimenting with the idea "Does episode runtime really affect one of our biggest podcasts?" Or maybe the editor thought this episode wasn't as funny as Drop Dead Fred and cut it short then Paul said "you cut my favorite bit... put it in the minisode". Again, just throwing out ideas that may hold no water.

Maybe, but that’s why I brought up Drop Dead Fred and Hobbs and Shaw as examples of recent episodes that were 20 minutes longer - extremely popular episodes, too, considering people still identify themselves as Team Fred or not. Paul presents it in the episode as if they were “cut for time,” but that doesn’t really make sense to me. Unless, in just the last month they started using the metric you’re proposing. Honestly, I don’t care if there are edits, but they should be as subtle as possible. That’s all I’m saying. Paul is always trying to add value to the Minisodes and that’s awesome. They went from basically ten minute trailers to the Help Line, C&O, Mail bag, Paul’s Pick, Movie Bitches, Would Nic Cage Make it Better, Facebook Q&A thing it’s evolved into. Personally, I love the minis, but since Minisodes probably aren’t listened to as religiously by casual listeners as main episodes, I think he’s trying to provide content that encourages them to check the minis out and not just skip over them (we can perhaps talk about as revenue here, too). And, of course, that’s a good thing. I’m glad he’s always looking for ways to make things feel fresh. That being said, we can’t expect every experiment to work. Of course, I’m just speculating here, but if this is the case, I would prefer they keep the episodes more intact and let the minis be their own thing. Or, if they really want to keep putting in deleted scenes, which is fine too, make sure it’s not at the expense of jagged edits in the main episode.

*raises hand* It was at Timecop in Austin. He just talked about Mia Sara and the entirety of the Paramount was uncomfortable. Really happy they cut that one out to save everyone lol.

What I find weird is that we get “deleted scenes” on the Minisode because the “show ran long,” but the episodes lately have been shorter than a lot of live episodes in the past. For example, Star Crash was 1:16 and Jason Lives was 1:19, but just recently, Hobbs and Shaw was 1:34, Drop Dead Fred was 1:40, and I’m sure I could find others. I guess I don’t really understand the intention. Including an extra 30 seconds isn’t going to make that much of a difference in terms of “running too long.” I also don’t see how leaving it in disrupts the flow of the show more than awkwardly cutting it out. And if it was cut because it wasn’t as strong as maybe some of the other material that made it to episode, then I’m not sure putting it contextless in the middle of a Minisode is better. I don’t know. I feel almost like I’m complaining that the podcast I enjoy is providing extra content, and that’s a super dumb thing to complain about. But I do agree with you, and I would rather it just be kept in the main episode. If it’s good enough to play here, then it’s good enough to be left in. If I had to guess, my assumption would be editing them out in the first place is to “add value” to the Minisodes, but personally, I feel like Minisodes are kind of their own thing and don’t need to be propped up with excerpts from the show.