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The other thing is that there isn't another body swap movie about someone who isn't part of the body swap. Alec Baldwin has, at best, the third most interesting story in this movie but he's the lead. Why are we following him? This is like watching Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead while being unfamiliar with Hamlet.

EVERYONE! I. Am. So. Excited. they did this movie!!! It really is all that terrible and then some. Right off the bat, Paul & Co. nail pretty much every uncomfortable thing about this movie. And yet. The PLAY (NOT the movie) has such a special place in my life. I was lucky enough to direct the play for our community theater group in Shanghai a few years ago. Of course, all the best things about it had to do with the friends involved and fun we had in making the show happen. But I'm also proud that the show really WORKED, although admittedly with a few tweaks. Because, YES, the biggest problem is that the most interesting part happens 45 minutes into the show -- which is the body swap! Solution? Move that scene to the beginning of the play. We opened with the groom's dressing room, wedding scene, and kiss, and just a bit of the honeymoon, giving such a dramatic strangeness to Rita before flashing back all the way to Peter & Rita's first meeting and then jumping back. With apologies to Craig Lucas, this worked out really well, lending suspence to relationship as well as making it a wonderful challenge for the actors to play with the physicality of the performances. But it was also that our production of Prelude to a Kiss was originally meant as a pitch to contribute to Shanghai Pride week. Doing community theatre in Shanghai is, well, problematic to put it euphemistically, and to do shows with queer themes is doubly difficult. Here was a way to have two men share the stage with a romantic relationship, and even kiss. Lucas had written the play at the height of the 80s AIDS crisis, when a young couple might face the very real possibility of waking up to one of them suddenly aged, weak and frail. Even in Shanghai in the 2010s, there's another equally serious parallel with the tremendous social pressure in China to marry, that often traps young people, especially gay men, apart from their true loves. Not that any of these things were in the minds of filmmakers in 1992. As part of our wrap party, the cast and crew watched the movie version at a local beef noodle soup restaurant, alternatively laughing at the show more than was ever intended, and ignoring it to let it run in the background.

LIKE CAMERON SAID!!! ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!! ;)))

I WANT YOU TO TELL ME I’M RIGHT! j/k I totally get what you mean.

Based on what I didn't like and reading comments from Rob Thomas and Kristen Bell after the season aired and everyone was pissed... It wasn't Hulu's fault... They decided they wanted to "take back their show" and stop giving "fan service" aka totally go against everything they had written up until this point. Now hold on a minute there friend lol! Team Logan Echolls until the day I DIE!!!

What's a jam tho

According to Merriam Webster "jam" (among other definitions) is slang for slam dunk in basketball. Books > calls.

I just finished the movie (haven’t listened to the episode yet), but this is 100% correct. It just doesn’t make sense to be told from his perspective. If the movie had fixed that, I think I might have really liked it. Yeah, not gonna lie. That does make a good fix. However, knowing more of the context helps understand why we see from Peter's point of view. Most people saw the play as a response to the AIDS crisis, which might have ravaged one's partner into someone unrecognizeable and frail. Makes the scene between Peter and the Old Man Rita trying to live life through board games more poignant. In the play, there's more opportunity to play with the body horror elements and existential threat that intrigued Paul and Jason. Plus, a fim version automatically emphasizes a different connection to the main character. For example, what is "narration/voice over" in a movie is actually a direct address to the audience as an "aside" and really connects the audience to Peter in a way a film simply cannot. That being said, the argument still stands-- why not have those same things with more prominent role for Rita?

We're talking about Logan from Gilmore Girls right?

logan sux and always will deal with it

I'm 100% fine with redemptive arcs but he hasn't earned it yet in my opinion. I've even said that he's grown and maybe they could start this season with them together. I'm not sure what you all want from me on this lol.

Conspiracy theory: June refuses to do body switch movies. I mean her "technical difficulties" during the Face/Off episode? Don't buy it.

I’m with @taylor anne photo on Logan. I think they did an impressive job of taking a really unlikable character and reforming him throughout the series. I mean he does some vile shit, and they still have us (most of us anyway) cheering for him in the end. The way I see it, nobody is perfect, certainly no one is born perfect, but a person’s willingness to change definitely makes an impression on me—especially from a narrative standpoint. We must always be open to redemption, otherwise, what are we even doing? If we don’t believe people can better themselves, then capital punishment might as well be our default for all crimes. Besides, it would be boring if he was a perfect angel from the beginning.

That's interesting to know that moving the parts around works reasonably well. I noted on my letterboxd review about the structure, which was I think the major problem of the movie. (sorry for friends on here who already saw this) A normal romantic body swap film would follow the lines of: 1. relationship 2. problems develop / confusion 3. body swap 4. realization of love for each other This movie, though, goes like this: 1. relationship 2. body swap 3. problems develop / confusion 4. realization of love for each other Which, I think, really makes it a total mess. The body swap should fix or clarify or lead to something, but here in the movie, it just leads to problems. And since the relationship is fairly fine up to that point, it's just weird and stupid and you hate it. If you're going to introduce a bit of magic into your realism, it should be fun or something, here it becomes a total drag.

Info on the bar - I'm sure Chicago people caught right away that it was filmed in the Green Mill, an Uptown bar that was famous as Al Capone's favorite hangout - his booth is the one where you can see both entrances. They're still around, and have poetry slams, live jazz almost every night, and a variety show/"live magazine" on Saturday afternoons. There's a wood paneled paintings illustrating a poem about the time the place got raided during prohibition, and there are apparently escape tunnels underneath. It's a really cool place. So exactly like they show it in the movie.

Team Veronica is better than any of the chumps on the show. This guy gets it. This is like Rory Gilmore all over again. She's too good for any of her boyfriends (excluding Year In The Life obviously where Rory is trash)

Haha I used to always "argue" with an ex about Veronica and Logan. I wanted way better for her but she was like, he's great.

If my wife asked at wedding to kiss creepy old stranger i would call priest and say unmarry us now

I get your point but I also get Hulu's point. I certainly don't care if the show has swearing or violence but I don't want it to feel like they are R rated just because they can be.

This man did nothing wrong. He tried to do nothing and did it wrong.

I've hidden the beef out of spite.

I’m doing well, forum June. Thank you for asking. How are you?