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This is a case where the terrible film was actually right and the podcast was wrong. It actually is "Pandora's jar". The wikipedia page has a section on why we say box: Also, regarding the movie getting myths confused, there is a precedent for rainbow bridges, but not in Greek myth. Norse mythology has a rainbow bridge connecting Earth and where the gods live.

The thing with Pandora's could've turned into an Abbott and Costello routine: "OK, so we have Pandora's Box." "Actually, it's a jar." "Well, not yet, it starts closed, but eventually it's ajar: That's how the evil escapes."

So the ancient Greeks actually had myths about automatons aka robots. https://www.theoi.com/Ther/Automotones.html This is a great list of several of them ( I might read this site for fun when bored). Almost all the Automatons were built by the God of the Forge Hephaestus or have been attributed to the creator of the Labyrinth Daedalus. During Jason and the Argonauts they come up against Talos a bronze man who was made by Hephaestus to protect Crete. There's the fire breathing horses He made for some of his son's that are called the Horses of the Cabeiri, as well as fire breathing bronze bulls Jason has to use to plow a field to plant Dragon teeth that turn into skeleton warriors. ( As you do). He also made the eagle that eats Prometheus's liver every day. (I always thought that was a live eagle not one made of bronze) On a lighter note Hephaestus made the Golden Celedones who were gold singing women for the temple of Delphi . He also built what has basically sets of table roombas called Golden Tripods that wheeled themselves around Olympus during feasts whenever gods wanted them. Because it's got to be hard to get cater waiters on Mount Olympus. I did a quick Google search and it also looks like there were some automatons in Greek history as well. Notably there was a steam powered pigeon made by the Greek philosopher/ mathematician Archytas.

I had to go look up the labors of Hercules because I was pretty sure the mythological origin of Ursa major and minor was different (it was--it involves a lady Zeus wants to bang and Hera turning her into a bear). Anyway, per wikipedai: 1. Slay the Nemean Lion. 2. Slay the nine-headed Lernaean Hydra. 3. Capture the Golden Hind of Artemis. 4. Capture the Erymanthian Boar. 5 Clean the Augean stables in a single day. (I guess he killed and captured so many animals now he's gotta clean up after them?) 6. Slay the Stymphalian Birds. 7. Capture the Cretan Bull. 8. Steal the Mares of Diomedes. 9. Obtain the girdle of Hippolyta, Queen of the Amazons. 10. Obtain the cattle of the monster Geryon. 11. Steal the apples of the Hesperides. 12. Capture and bring back Cerberus.

Poor Callisto. I always felt so bad for her. The myth I read had Artemis turning her into a bear for lying about losing her virginity. either way Callisto could not catch a break! She was a follower of Artemis and Zeus tricks her into sleeping with him by morphing into her ( using the image of your daughter to rape someone... Stay classy Zeus) then she gets kicked out for losing her virginity, is turned into a bear, and her fucking son kills her.

Birdemic and 6/7 are both good with me.

Be the wind in your own sails, lay the track for your own train. Take a shit in the street, no one gives a fuck.

I think it was more - I didn't connect to this movie the first time I saw it, but since everyone says it's good, I'll give it multiple viewings, and try to appreciate what it is other people are seeing in it. Which I don't think is inherently an insult. It's a rumination on acclaim and how it affects how we interact with movies that I've posted on these forums myself. And I think in relation to talking about Vertigo in a previous thread, as well. I've still yet to find my connection to Vertigo that's clarifies to me at least why so many other people love it. But because it's the very top of the critics Sight & Sound poll, I want to give it at least a couple more tries (and I'm not talking about even loving it myself, I just want more of an emotional sense of, "yeah," I can see why people love this movie). Note - I still haven't rewatched yet for this episode. Hoping to squeeze it into Memorial Day weekend stuff.

I mean I guess if the town was small enough and the church was THE social place it could happen if they decided she wasn't welcome in the church. I'm just confused because now I want to know if the entire congregation is banned from listening to secular music? Like is this the most Christian town ever??

Wow. I mostly know Catholic church's and according to a friend whose mom works for one of their local Catholic colleges the priests drink heavily at any and all banquets or events.

In Greek mythology Iris is the personification of the rainbow and is a messenger of the gods . She acts as the go between for the gods and humanity in several cases . She's not a literal bridge though. That looked like the Bifrost like you mentioned.

I haven’t listened yet bu I hope they redo Little Italy in Toronto.

Lou Ferrigno fights a bear in this movie AND on the Incredible Hulk. It would be funny if at one point in time it was in his contract that you had to let him fight a fucking bear if you wanted him in your project.

"good episode" - nohorseman

I've tried choking real chickens, its just not the same

I wish there was more action with Baby Hercules. He was a better actor than Lou Ferrigno.

It's a comedy thriller I guess? Not many traditional thrillers button their action sequences with lines like "you ate my bird", sadly. Also, I love that SLJ and Brie Larson are buds.

I love that they announced John Wick 4 as soon as the opening box office earnings were announced. May 21, 2021 can't come soon enough.

Yeah, that’s pretty extreme, but I think it depends on the church. My mother has worked for churches since I was 10. Four separate churches (same denomination) and each really had their own personality. Some were really loosey-goosey and some were pretty conservative. And while none of those churches ever ran anyone out of town, some of the stricter ones will certainly let you know when you’re not wanted. So, run you out of town? Probably not. Run you out of the church? Yeah, I can definitely see that.

I used to heavily be involved in church culture, including managing a Christian bookstore. A friend of mine asked me to hold a case of beer for him while he went to go and grab something else and I almost lost my job because of it.

That was not me on the phone, so definitely an Earwolf person reading one of the forum posts.

Syncasey, did you call in on the minisode about neon clothing? Because the call was your post verbatim. If not, then we can now confirm people are stealing our posts for calls. EDIT: It just occurred to me that it could be an earwolf employee reading the post. So, idk.

Yes he does and I had a real problem with that! It annoyed me that the movie was constantly telling us, “OMG guys! Women are human too! Who’d a thunk? ...But not homosexuals. That’s too far” The threat of violence - even as a joke - is certainly a far cry from Some Like it Hot’s “Well nobody’s perfect.” Yeah, I think I’m going to have to drop it on my list. As I said before, I’m wrestling with the light, frothy, 80’s-comedy watchability of the movie. It’s the first time I’ve really questioned what my personal AFI list is trying to do. Am I ranking the movies on personal enjoyment or overall worthiness? Up until Tootsie, for me anyway, they were pretty much one in the same, but now I have to rethink it (and maybe some other films) ETA: Tootsie just took a massive tumble on my list. Not quite last, but close.

No I get it, and that's true. The point to me though isn't "is this funny enough?", it's "is it quality enough?" It's definitely sharper comedy than Bosom Buddies. It doesn't necessarily do anything better to get its points across though, except having a bunch of actors act as if it were a drama I guess. (That's the part I like about this.) Though looking at this through a lens of film genres, it's using screwball comedy situations, but I dunno, I still question these plot points as not being the best choices they could have made. I definitely agree that it's good that his drag-ness isn't a punchline, but like Roz said on the pod, he's in drag for the purpose of work/conniving a job/stealing a role from a real woman; not a lifestyle choice. I find that limits its effectiveness. Yea maybe Les is just more an awkward thing. But still, the end result is 'omg he actually fell for a guy' and whether that's for laughs or pity, it's still there. Also when Les finds out, his first reaction is to want to punch him. Doesn't he say something like "you're only alive because we never kissed"?

One thing I've been thinking about lately and really noticing is the sort of cinematic language that these films use. It's why I defended Chinatown in the face of a general indifference: I think it really has its own language in how it tells its story. Paul kept saying Tootsie was more than just Bosom Buddies, and that's sort of true in some regard: but also not so much. Take all the actions of the story: now he has to take care of a baby, oh now he is in some vaguely homophobic misunderstanding because a man is in love with him (his love interest's dad no less!), etc. These plot points are not any different than what you'd see on Bosom Buddies. So even if they're making a valid statement, or being funny!, it's just not done in a quality way with any sort of originality or creativity. Oh and how about the numerous music montages? Great films don't get to use that shortcut so many times in one movie. By my count, there were five. That's ridiculous. All the decisions they made to tell this story are not at all elevated from any old '80s drag comedy, even if maybe the acting is better. There's just not enough here for me to think it should be a classic to any level, and I'm totally baffled that it is. I have it last on my list of the 47 movies we've seen. I may enjoy it a little more than some of the others down near the bottom, but that's not all we're looking at here. I can sort of accept the pioneering nature of it, but even there, I'm not sure it's enough. One thing I think would improve this is though Hoffman's character dresses as a woman, he never truly identifies as one, so the perspective offered seems very narrow to me. I think what Bill Murray said about Hoffman and Pollack was illuminating: they had no idea what they were making. They should have let Bill direct it and turn it into what he was seeing could be.