Episode 160 - The Lake House: LIVE!

[taylor anne photo 11311]

and then there's the graffiti .. it was there for 2 years and nobody posted anything over it? And it didn't fade? It's not like he could come back and top it up or clear posters off it ... cause he's dead.

 

That's believable considering the amount of graffiti that's now like famous. Like the "Hi, How Are You?" or the "I love you so much." So I bet that people thought that it was along those lines and left it.

[PushkinThunderLiger 21]

I wish June had been there. I would've loved to listen to her try to make sense of it.

 

I like to think June would have had the same sensitivity as me to the way Kate's mum was eating that sandwich in Daley Plaza. I found it so gross and upsetting.

[Cam Bert 8145]

According to a quick Google search, Madison, Wisconsin is nearly 2 and a half hours from Chicago. Are we to believe that Sandy B was constantly driving 2+ hours to get to the Lake House to snail mail text a single line to Keanu?

First off, fuck this movie.

 

Secondly, she did her residency in Madison. The time of her residency was two years in the past, so while Keanu was living in the lake house she was living in Madison and spending weekends with Morgan in Chicago. She moved into a luxury downtown apartment in Chicago after she got the job at the Chicago City Hospital and started text mailing Keanu. So her trek to the mailbox would be however long it takes to get from the lake house into the city.

 

In conclusion, fuck this movie.

[MmmBlister 5]

Guys, I'm taking notes because I am so confused. Have I had a stroke? Are they withholding information that would explain the situation merely for a plot point of making audience confused? Am I just stupid?

 

EDIT: And by notes I mean notes + Ven Diagram + itemized comparison list

 

EDIT 2: The only way this makes sense is in the universe is operating like Blink, an episode of Doctor Who. Explains how they're communicating in real time. But she must somehow have a script of what he's saying, some how conversing in real time because neither are reading from a list of questions, unless she's providing the answers, to his questions he's formatting based on her answers.

 

EDIT3 : I should note I am commenting in real-time

 

EDIT 4: Guy hit by car is Keanu and they're meeting for first time by time-magic, which cases him to get killed, for her to get a dog, and for a tree to get built/grown. I think. Let's see. Last little bit now.

 

"What's this?" "Global Warming" --WTF?

 

EDIT 5: CLose! Still what's with the dog.

[ZARATHUSTRA 245]

and then there's the graffiti .. it was there for 2 years and nobody posted anything over it? And it didn't fade? It's not like he could come back and top it up or clear posters off it ... cause he's dead.

 

 

There is no conceivable timeline in which somone wouldn't have drawn a penis or a swastika or just tagged over it. Its such a cringeworthy message if I saw it I would go out and buy some paint myself and deface it

[RyanSz 3140]

There actually is a porno version

 

 

and it took so fucking long I have begun to doubt my sanity

With how many oddball porn parodies there are available now, I'm surprised that this hasn't been done.

 

THIS IS THE WORST MOVIE EVER

Can't wait to listen to this episode!

I don't know, I mean have you seen Fateful Findings?

 

Since Paul announced the movie, I kept on thinking it was 28 Days. When he described it, I said to myself, "Oh, it'll be 28 Days". When he said "We're doing The Lake House", I still wouldn't have it, I just thought "That's weird, they call it The Lake House, why don't they call it 28 Days like we do here?!"

 

Then I searched "The Lake House" on Netflix, and 28 Days popped up, and I thought "Ha! Stupid Paul! I knew it was 28 Days!"

 

Turns out, 28 Days is actually a different movie... FIVE STARS!

An old coworker of mine thought she was going to be watching 28 Days with a bunch of friends, when they were actually going to watch 28 Days Later. 20 minutes into the movie, she asks them when Sandra Bullock is going to show up which cause uproarious laughter.

 

 

As for Paul talking about oddball architects, Frank Lloyd Wright isn't even close to the craziest, that might belong to Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas. His designs are basically just ways for him to flip of physics and his thoughts on various topics have been compiled in great books like his 1,300 page opus S,M,L,XL. The book goes into topics on how he feels architecture will evolve over the years along with his thoughts on Japanese pornography (he was rumored to have done a few pornos to help pay for college), the weather, and his various attempts at writing fiction. One of his most famous buildings was the CCTV HQ in China.

[Ofcoursemyhorse 1043]

The most annoying part about this movie is that they easily could have come up with a different device for the time travel communications that would have explained the conversational style of their correspondence. Like a typewriter or a journal they both find that relays whatever they're writing in realtime.

 

It still would have made sense and been different enough from the premise of (the far better movie) Frequency.

[taylor anne photo 11311]

I don't know, I mean have you seen Fateful Findings?

Even if I had I stand by my statement. The only challengers to this movie have been Hercules in New York & The Avengers. Fuck those movies and FUCK THIS MOVIE.

[Cam Bert 8145]

First off, fuck this movie. I have so many damned notes and anger in me I have no idea where to begin even.

 

Let's talk about this "freak late snow" that Sandy B prophetizes for Keanu. So she looks at her photo which is clearly dated the third of April 2004. First off the typical last snow fall in Chicago happens in April and averages a quarter inch or half a centimeter. If you actually break down the statistics on snowfall in April in Chicago you'll find an average of one day of snowfall and a cumulative average of 1.2 inches or 3 centimeters of snow. If we look at the picture and the amount of snow on the lake house the following day there is barely enough snow to blanket the ground meaning this was a perfectly average as to be expected early April snowfall!

 

Also he sneezes the moment the snow starts falling. That's not how getting sick works! You're more likely to get sick in cold weather due to the extra moisture in the air virus can remain airborne longer and a decrease in air temperature makes your mucus secretion increase. Meaning with a runny nose you are more likely to touch your face and thus brings germs and virus into your body.

 

In conclusion, fuck this movie.

[purltwo 11]

I was screaming "IT'S THE 2000S!!! GOOGLE!!!!" at my screen the entire time. For some reason I went into this thinking Keanu was, like, in the 1940s. TWO YEARS???

 

But. I had a June-ish theory. Popped into my mind when Kate (wearing an ugly green headscarf) and her boring mother were having a boring talk about love over a boring lunch. Mom said something about before I met your father I loved a boy and we wrote letters. What happened? "Well I had to get to where I could have you" or some such horsehockey.

 

Just for half a second I thought "OMG bet Mom was in love with Christopher Plummer. Sandy is Keanu's sister."

[ZARATHUSTRA 245]

So this story begins (For Keanu’s character) in 2004 in the month of February according to the events of the film. It’s Valentine’s Day in 2006 when Sandra sees the car accident so that means Keanu (experiencing the same day two years prior) is also in mid-February—but in 2004. Well this makes the film more confusing. We see that they are basically experiencing the same day every time they interact with the mailbox and the tree etc. (They say it’s the same day but in a different year at one point.) BUT 2004 WAS A FUCKING LEAP YEAR! February would have had a different amount of days for each of them. At a certain point instead of showing up right away the replies to Sandra’s letters should show up a day later right? Because they end up being 2 years and 1 day apart at a certain point right? Ugh... I guess the writer/s of this film didn’t think about that. I’m more confused, honestly, by the motivation for either character to fall in love with the other? A few letters? Are they that lonely? These are good looking, gainfully employed people…

 

Perhaps the mailbox follows the Hebrew Calendar where there is a leap month 7 times every 19 years. Or maybe the letterbox/DogGod magically accounts for leap years.

 

Or maybe because they percieve time within the structure of a calendar: a human construct to make sense of the proximity of the past, thus a error in this structure not time. If we take the Kantian view of time, it is not externally existent but embedded (a priori) in our experience of the external, like the sense of spatiality, to make sense of phenomena. Or perhaps we shouldn't be concerned with clock/calendar-time (infinite series of self-contained nows laid out in an ordering of past, present and future) or with time as a kind of relativistic phenomenon that would satisfy physics. If we look to Heideggarian phenomenology, time is a present-at-hand (Vorhandenheit) phenomena which is not an accurate presentation of temporality which is an internal feature of the existential constitution of Dasein (the fundamental temporality that structures intelligibility). Thus in the direct phenomenological experience (i.e. bracketed using Husserl's phenomenological reduction), the actual experience of the mailbox is not relevant to the structure of calendar days.

 

 

Or I might be reading too much into it.

 

I assume the writers of fucking The Lake House thought all this through before they sold the fucking screenplay.

[RyanSz 3140]

After watching this and the wishes of them somehow being related, I really want the show to cover Kate & Leopold which is another time travel film that has/had a very blatant incest angle to it.

[kateacola 2440]

I noticed in the scene near the end of the movie, where Keanu's brother told him it was Valentine's day...and Keanu goes "valentine's day 2006?" I am pretty sure they ADR'd that in.

it looks like he actually said "valentine's day 2004?" Because his mouth doesn't match up.

 

The people making this movie could barely keep the timelines straight..how are we supposed to?

[IMAHUGEHDTGMFAN 1837]

I noticed the scene near the end of the movie, where Keanu's brother told him it was Valentine's day...and Keanu goes "valentine's day 2006?" I am pretty sure they ADR'd that in.

In the scene, it looks like he actually said "valentine's day 2004?" Because his mouth doesn't match up.

 

The people making this movie couldn't even keep the timelines straight..how are we supposed to?

 

THAT WAS ONE OF MY NOTES!!! (I'm currently writing a long post right now...) But It could be that nobody noticed a mistake and had to dub that line via ADR to correct it or the fact that maybe because the movie was probabbly shot in 2005 they originally used 2003 and 2005 or something. It also happened in Hot Tub Time Machine 2 when the movie premiere was delayed from December 2014 to February 2015 they had to add a year to the story and ADR lines (Kumail is the most clear example of this)

 

All references to the years "2014" and "2024" were dubbed to "2015" and "2025" (It was originally supposed to be released Dec. 2014, but ultimately came out Feb. 2015)

[IMAHUGEHDTGMFAN 1837]

WARNING LONG POST!!! (The internet was down because a power outage all day right after I finished listening to the episode...)

 

 

 

 

 

First off, fuck this movie. I have so many damned notes and anger in me I have no idea where to begin even.

 

Me neither...

 

 

Feel like they should have brought up the fact that Sandra Bullock also made this movie in the horror genre with Premonition.

 

That movie was released a year after Lake House (L.H. in 2006 and Premonition in 2007) and her co-star was Julian McMahon so Sandra had fake relationships with the 2 plastic surgeons from Nip/Tuck in a 1 or 2 year span

♪Make me beautiful♪

 

 

I don't think this got mentioned in the episode, but right before "The Sneeze" as she's writing the letter warning about the snow and everyone getting sick, Sandy B takes out a photo of herself playing in the snow in March 2004. She shows it to Jack and says "Remember that day? You were not happy", as if she owned Jack then. But we see Jack is living with Keanu at the lake house in March 2004 when it snows. So either she is just presuming what Jack's mood was two years before she owned her, or Jack is omnipresent.

JACK. IS. GOD.

 

And also that time Boots and Keanu where in the pickup truck and Jack breaks them off by running away to Morgan's house right when Boots was heavily coming on to him. Jack is pulling the strings for sure.

 

 

 

I think its clear that until Keanu changes the timeline, they have never met. So when she saw the accident she had no memory of him yet, he implanted that memory like he did the tree.

 

So she kissed someone else at that party?

 

My theory is that when the movie starts there where changes already made in a timeline we don't see (Paw prints & box, keanu kissing kate (maybe), kate getting the lake house key somehow, keanu dying going to meet kate on valentines day) and during the movie the timeline (2nd one???) changes again. (the scarf, keanu kissing kate, the tree, keanu's dad memoirs, the dinner reservation, the book in the floorboard of Sandras apartment, Keanu saved creating a 3rd timeline)

That or the entire movie is just a big time paradox mess.

 

So this story begins (For Keanu’s character) in 2004 in the month of February according to the events of the film. It’s Valentine’s Day in 2006 when Sandra sees the car accident so that means Keanu (experiencing the same day two years prior) is also in mid-February—but in 2004. Well this makes the film more confusing. We see that they are basically experiencing the same day every time they interact with the mailbox and the tree etc. (They say it’s the same day but in a different year at one point.) BUT 2004 WAS A FUCKING LEAP YEAR! February would have had a different amount of days for each of them. At a certain point instead of showing up right away the replies to Sandra’s letters should show up a day later right? Because they end up being 2 years and 1 day apart at a certain point right?

Taking it a step back... You guys and girls know how the seven days of the week shift to diferent calendar days in each year right? (1 day ahead if the following year is not a leap year and 2 days after february has ended if the following year is a leap year).

 

So if Sandra is touring/walking in the city during any saturday of 2006 after the month of february has ended, that means its the same date for Keanu in 2004 but 2 week days prior, so while Sandra was out on a Saturday, Keanu was out on a Thursday and must of skipped work just to deface/vandalize that wall.

[jeffsomething 13]

Has anyone else watched the original Korean movie, il Mare? (yes, like the fancy restaurant in The Lake House, how clever)

 

When I watched The Lake House years ago I sought out Il Mare hoping that they would end it differently, and actually let Keanu stay dead. I remembered that it ended differently so I just re-watched it to remember. The film is worse, it dwells on loneliness, but at least they don't have conversations with each other, they clearly write long form letters, and no one plants a magic tree. It also has a slightly more logical ending, that is slightly less time loopy.

 

Spoiler ahead.

 

He writes her a good bye letter, which sounds like a suicide note, and then releases the fish she sent him that he'd been keeping in his bathtub. So she goes to find him at his architecture school and is told he had died in a car accident. She remembers the accident which she had witnessed while breaking up with a boyfriend, and writes him a letter telling him not to come and rushes it to the mailbox. Of course he goes there. He gets hit by a car and bleeds out in the middle of the street and she cries at the mail box. But then it all rewinds, literally blood going back into his head, and he goes and talks to her while she’s moving out of the Lake House and leaving the very first letter in the box and asks if she wants to hear a magical tale.

 

So essentially Paul and Jason were right. He should have just gone and found her and presented his creepy evidence of the relationship she doesn't know about yet.

 

If anyone cares to see it you can find it on Youtube with English subtitles.

[IMAHUGEHDTGMFAN 1837]

Has anyone else watched the original Korean movie, il Mare? (yes, like the fancy restaurant in The Lake House, how clever)

 

I liked Il Mare a lot... In the Korean version they don't mention the female lead's father AT ALL, but in the remake THEY JUST HAD to include the fact that Sandra's father died and also added that whole sentimental thing about the book she got from her dad and forgot in the train station, so that when Keanus dad dies she can feel bad for him. As to say that she couldn't possibly feel anything for him unless her father had previously died too.

[IMAHUGEHDTGMFAN 1837]

I have more notes but I want to go over them again before posting them...

 

In the meantime I'm going to leave you with this CRAZY BONKERS BANANAS video (there are 2 more parts. That one is part 4 but

&

are also about The Lake House) I found while looking for clips of the movie on YouTube. The video is some conspiracy theorist saying how the mailbox in the movie is a "butthole time machine" (a "male box") and he decodes the sodomite programing and hidden messages of the movie in a "serious manner" with monotone narration. This awful awful movie remake was NOT an original movie but a copy of a South Korean film so theres no way that the producers of the movie where part in any conspiracy (other than scamming people out of their money and time when it came out in 2006 Nailed It!). I've had this link on standby since I found it like 2 weeks ago but now I think that because in this episode Paul and Jason talked about butts and penises and said "Dog is God backwards" it makes all of this even more crazy, surreal and funny... Please if you see the video share your thoughts I'm curious to know lol

 

100% SERIOUS DISCLAIMER: There is a loud horn sound at the start of all the videos in that account fast forward to 11 seconds to skip it. Maybe there are REAL conspiracies out there. I do not wish to be mean to the man in the video or his beliefs I only want to share this piece of unintentional comedy with this forum. Also, if you like "Back to the Future" in any way DO NOT click/watch the other videos in that channel about BTTF because it may ruin your viewing experience of the classic trilogy from now on and I would never EVER want to do that to any of you. Thank You.

 

https://youtu.be/k8diztQxZyU?list=PLjiPOC8yurzvaRLAVjgCWgRYsB5K58c2U

[Cam Bert 8145]

First off, fuck this movie.

 

I know it was brought up but I think we really need to talk about what a short end of the stick Morgan got. So if we break down his story in chronological order, we see he's truly a tragic figure. He goes to law school and becomes a lawyer and sets up his own small but respectable law practice in Chicago. Sometime after this he meets Sandra Bullock who is in med school. She unfortunately is doing her three year internal medicine residency in Madison WI which is a bit of a trek from Chicago. Morgan decides she's worth it and they continue to date long distance with her taking the train in the weekend to be with him. He's an outgoing guy and can't help befriend anybody he meets. Sure he might be an over thinker but he was always doing things for her. He meets a stranger and just because he could do something to help his girlfriend he invites him to a birthday party he's throwing for her. See the house he's been living in all these years is not to his girlfriend's liking so when she moves back to Chicago he wants to get a place on the lake because she'd like that. However, his girlfriend admits to this stranger that she doesn't love Morgan and she also doesn't like his parties with all these strangers. Yet instead of communicating this to Morgan sometime during their at a minimum two year relationship she just wonders outside, slow dances and makes out with this random stranger. Rightfully he's hurt but decides to try to make it work. Then about half a year later that stranger shows up and gives him his lake house for free. Shortly after her residency comes to and end and she moves back to Chicago, takes the keys and breaks up with him. She moves to the lake house and now he's on his own. At this point his house up on the market because he's forced to leave it and his law practice and move to a new city and start all over again. However he's still kinda in love with his ex. A year later after the break up he comes back to the city just to visit her and maybe rekindle those flames. He then starts to take interviews for companies looking for lawyers in Chicago. Meanwhile his ex is making friends, and starting to be social and open again. Then they start dating once more. She has him move into her place in the city and things kinda go back to how they were. A year passes and they decide they need to get a bigger place and he lets her pick the place. She finds a rundown place not to his liking but she likes it do they go see an architecture firm about remodeling it. As the meeting is finishing she runs away not explaining anything. Later she shows up with Keanu and says she's leaving him for that guy she made out with at her birthday three years ago and Morgan is once again dumped and left homeless. Poor Morgan, maybe if he remembered Valentines this would have all played out differently. Probably not though.

[JonathanVik 37]

Can someone make a gif of the horrible kiss at the end? I sorta missed it.

 

I'm happy they addressed the fact that no one in this movie used time travel for personal gain or tried to use it to help someone. Drove me crazy. That was the first thing I thought of. I'm glad they mentioned Early Edition. I completely forgot about that show.

 

Personally, I don't think the dog was behind the magical mailbox. It was obviously Global Warming.

[firsttimecallerlongtimelistenr 3590]

Can someone make a gif of the horrible kiss at the end? I sorta missed it.

 

 

it's on youtube ... just search for "The Lake House: "You Waited..." ". it's pretty much the last 6 minutes of the movie

[FisterRoboto 7499]

Here's where he straight up mauls her face:

 

 

Genuine question: how does Kate get the dog? I thought it was when Alex gets hit by the bus (like, the dog was with him but somehow survived), but I just rewatched it and she has Jack in her timeline BEFORE Alex gets hit. Did Keanu just give up the dog with the house? Because he's a real shitty pet owner if so.

 

Also, his first letter to Kate is this:

 

Dear Ms Foster,

 

I got your note, and I'm afraid there must be some kind of misunderstanding. As far as I know, the lake house has been empty for several years. Maybe your note was intended for the Sandberg house down the shore, since no one has lived in this house for years.

 

But I'm curious about the pawprints.

 

Okay. If you saw the pawprints being made, and they are clearly at your house, the fucking letter OBVIOUSLY isn't meant for "the Sandberg house."

[Ofcoursemyhorse 1043]

After watching this and the wishes of them somehow being related, I really want the show to cover Kate & Leopold which is another time travel film that has/had a very blatant incest angle to it.

 

Don't forget Just Visiting. Christina Applegate plays not only his love interest but also his last living relative hundreds of years later.

[MmmBlister 5]

My current theory is that the Lake House is a prototype for the glass mansion from the movie Thirteen Ghosts.

 

 

In that movie a glass mansion is created that traps, you guessed it, 13 ghosts inside.

 

The ghosts are being used to power a machine that pierces the veil of time, allowing the user to see the past, present, and future.

 

My hypothesis is that the Lake House was originally created by the villain of that movie as a trial run for his evil plan.

 

When Keanu is killed in the accident, his ghost becomes trapped in the Lake House which powers a prototype of the ghost machine.

 

But because he is only a single ghost, it only allows for very specific time travel through a wormhole in the mailbox.

 

Which lets him save his own life by arranging for his past self to fall in love with Sandy Bullock.

 

I think I'm going insane.

 

When they said it was a real house I was sure that it was going to be the same house.

 

It wasn't but as a result, I'm all in on this theory. I still think that there were two timelines, Keanu's actions intervening on Sandra's world, unbeknownst to her UNLESS she's by the mailbox, which acts like Doctor Who's TARDIS in a sense of a temporal-grace field. So, Sandra's timeline "B" is sucked into Keanu's timeline "A." The remnants of Sandra's timeline "B," gets cut off from reality like an elbow lake, when a stream meanders off its path. As a result, it's not immune to monsters and shit, thus, Thirteen Ghosts.

 

EDIT:

The most annoying part about this movie is that they easily could have come up with a different device for the time travel communications that would have explained the conversational style of their correspondence. Like a typewriter or a journal they both find that relays whatever they're writing in realtime.

 

It still would have made sense and been different enough from the premise of (the far better movie) Frequency.

 

Like, make the attic fucking magical, they keep stumbling on it in impossible places.

[kateacola 2440]

 

Okay. If you saw the pawprints being made, and they are clearly at your house, the fucking letter OBVIOUSLY isn't meant for "the Sandberg house"

 

Yea--Alex isn't very smart Kate, you sure you want to be with him?

 

Maybe he's a real dum-dum and thought Jack was leaving paint pawprints throughout the neighborhood?