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It also seems just so 1990s to me. Now, back in those days I think there was a fair argument that if you wanted to find that esoteric stuff, it was actually hard: you'd be scouring through the back shelves of used book stores or record stores or video stores or whatever, or tracking down bootleg copies of stuff. It took some work. Given that, you could also argue that if people JUST SAW this other thing, they'd be converted away from the mainstream crap (though let's be honest, deep down you knew that probably wasn't true). Now that everyone has the whole Internet at their fingertips, it's relatively easy to find whatever oddball, esoteric thing you'd like to see. It's not hard to find something that plays to your particular tastes. So what's the point of carping against the popular stuff?

For those not on Twitter THE ROCK ANSWERED PAUL AND JASON

I've seen this movie probably more than a dozen or so times because of its constant rotation on HBO. As a fan of both Albert Brooks and Brendan Fraser, I have to agree this movie really is a odd mix. The first scene with Diane Wiest is super jarring in terms of the tonal shift the movie makes after that point.

Of all the HDTGM movies, I Know Who Killed Me may honestly be the most confusing. At no point did I understand almost anything that was happening.

I’m sorry I missed it, I ended up having last minute plans with my brother. What did you guys end up watching

If it makes you feel better, I had major issues with the third act, too. And, I agree, at the time, I just kind of kept my head low. I understood why it was important, I appreciated its impact, and there were a lot good things about it. But for me, the movie never really lives up to the promise of its incredible first act.

Yeah, I always hate when a movie I dislike kind of aligns with a cultural thing I support. It was really rough having problems with Wonder Woman because I'd get some judgmental side eye like I'm an MRA red pill jerk. So, if someone asked if I saw it, I'd start with five minutes of genuine, enthusiastic fawning before demurely saying "maybe the third act is kind of weak..." EDIT: And I'm sure it was especially hard with Last Jedi because many of the people who dislike it are very toxic and I wouldn't want to be lumped in with them. Like making that one actress quit acting, rating it hundreds of times on Rotten Tomatoes just to lower its score, starting petitions for the "real" version to get released. Ok, please get a life.

Oh, it absolutely goes both ways. I feel the same way about The Last Jedi. It really didn’t work for me as a film. So it was really obnoxious being on Twitter or wherever and seeing a bunch of people whose opinions you generally respect saying things like, “The only people who don’t like The Last Jedi are a bunch of basement dwelling, misogynistic, racist, incels.” Neither I, nor my wife, liked the movie, and we are none of those things. We just thought it was kind of boring. However, I know a lot of people here loved it. I don’t think they’re stupid for that. I don’t need our opinions to be 100% in alignment all the time. It doesn’t hurt anyone if someone likes it and I don’t. As long as we can be civil and not being dismissive, we’re cool. We can have a real dialogue about it’s merits or faults. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of assumptions and name calling.

I feel like the conversation has gone in the direction of whether or not superhero movies are good, but from what I gathered from Taylor’s initial response that’s not really the issue she had. I think everyone can agree that some superhero movies are better than others. I feel like the issue isn’t so much an argument against their quality and more against their popularity. For me, people reacting against superhero movies for being popular is a lot like people turning their noses up against pop musicians in favor of some secret, brooding indie artist that they personally enjoy. No, a lot of pop musicians aren’t exactly pushing the envelope artistically - at least, not outside of their particular niche - but neither are they necessarily aspiring to. Furthermore, I find the people who like to turn their noses up at popular culture in favor of their esoteric favorites, are usually the first to turn their backs on their favorite artists the moment they achieve a modicum of commercial success. It’s all very high school. It’s claiming all the popular jocks are a bunch of morons, but because you harbor an affinity for early 19th Century Romantic Poetry it makes you “deep” (i.e. better/smarter.) It’s outsider chic; a means to justify misanthropy. “I’m not a nerd. I’m cool because I’m into this thing and you’re dumb because you’re not. And, no, I won’t even attempt to learn anything more about you that might shatter my narrow, two-dimensional perception of you.” Ultimately, who cares if something is popular? No one’s forcing anyone to enjoy something they don’t like. And certainly, no one should be getting distressed over people liking a specific type of movie. That’s silly. Enjoy or ignore them as you see fit. But don’t dismiss something that people like just because it doesn’t work for you personally. Nobody likes pretension.

It's like Karate Kid mixed with Fight Club...only complete shit! You know, partly because they throw in a bunch of teenage garbage. They remove the good elements and replace it with trash...and then double down. It even includes a fighting event called "The Beatdown"! Somehow, it was a financial success, so there's that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8aGqjNM0k4 "Ready! Get some!"

Some good eps this week. Keep it up and in a few more years I might consider myself a fan

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Hey, the guest was a female and yet no one on reddit will be able to say that she didn't "get it" - she was handbooking right along with the boys. Almost too well! I'm glad broken English is back in style. The Mac Wheldon thing made me think of a joke: There was this philosopher king in the land of philosopher kings and he would take great long walks along the beach in nothing but his trunks and his robe and he would contemplate matters of the kingdom as the sea air gilded his chest hairs with salt and vigor. One day he was particularly deep in thought and he began scratching at his exposed navel as he walked. Much to his surprise it moved to his touch with a little scraping sound. As he walked he continued to fiddle and eventually found that by digging his fingers in and twisting the thing he was able to unscrew the fleshy endcap. Below it his eyes beheld a glint of gold reflected in the sunlight. Curious, he stopped walking, now completely enthralled with his own navel and twisted faster and faster. Below the navel was a long golden rod, a golden screw thread tunneling into his own body. By this point he was absolutely agog and could not believe what was happening... the rod got longer and longer until with a pop it dislodged from his stomach altogether and with one movement he removed the golden rod with fleshy screw head and held it aloft into the sunlight to examine it. It was at this point that his butt cheeks fell off and slipped out the leg of his trunks, landing on the beach with a soft thud.

I was extremely disappointed in this, the most overrated movie I can recall seeing in a very long time. I don't see what others value in it, as I was bored & uninterested in the characters & their boring town for most of it. I guess I never got into the teen sex comedies attributed to this (though this wasn't funny enough to qualify as a comedy), but I'm able to see the merit in Lady Bird & Stand By Me (even if I would consider them more good than great). French Connection still stands as a titanic film in my book, but this is just the black & white period film Bogdanovich did before getting it right with Paper Moon. My first reaction when seeing it was to compare it to American Graffiti (due to all the music & driving), which could be considered a more minor work preceding Star Wars, but then I also think that's overrated. I think that of The Graduate too, but at least there's some interesting direction in some sequences. I also didn't think the film sympathized that much with Cybill Shepherd's character. There's a little bit of her relationship with her mom where she see how she might turn out that way, but she still seems like arguably more of a misogynist's idea of a woman than Sonny's first girlfriend. Like Amy, I didn't pick up any hints that the coach was gay, and just had to read about it on wikipedia. I initially thought his wife might have some medical problem (something the audience might care about!), but we never get any follow-up on why she's going to the doctor and she doesn't seem to deteriorate. I also read about Jeff Bridges being cast because it would contrast with his jerk of a character, but his jerkdom mostly seems limited to that one scene where he fights with Sonny. He's a more interesting actor than Timothy Bottoms, so it's a shame he wasn't the lead. I initially thought Billy was Sonny's brother, but the way everyone kept referring to him as his friend made me think perhaps that wasn't the case. I didn't have a clear sense of who they were related to, which might have contributed to my lack of enjoyment.

this is another great example of one of those 80s rediculous but brilliantly so film. Loved it as a kid still enjoy watching it now even for all it's flaws

Hollywood trying to capitalize on the MMA fad and market it to teens by making it look "sick." So many douchey moments. Including giant, cliche high school house parties where the (25+ year old model looking) students regularly hold organized fights, since everyone is trained of course. And yes, it is a direct rip off of the Karate Kid, only it is very bad. Also: "Seven years."

Please do this movie. I think it will make all of them feel physically ill and I want to hear June's reactions so bad.

I think Dan was assuming that I, like many women in my age range, was obsessed with this movie in my childhood. But, I'm slightly too young (it came out when I was one) and I've only seen it one time. But thanks for checking for double threads! that makes you extra cool in my book