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Corporate structures, The Beatles are actually good, and more on this week’s mini-sode! Paul opens up the Explanation Hope Line, goes through Corrections and Omissions for Disclosure, and gives his Pick of the Week. Plus, find out which movie we will be watching next week!

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Starcrash is free on Tubi if you can't get it at your local library.

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SMIGG WINS!!!! (with three other people)

Got a little laugh out of Paul, so I'm happy.

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Not sure how many people here still listen to Obscured but definitely skip it if you want to have a good day. There is nothing from the book and it's just him detailing putting his dog to sleep.

It was a real downer start to the morning. 

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7 hours ago, grudlian. said:

Starcrash is free on Tubi if you can't get it at your local library.

The MST3K version is on Hoopla. It might make it a little more watchable (although they might edit it a bit) :) 

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Man, I hate to gripe because you all know how much I love HDTGM, but I really wish that if they're going to take phone call C&O's they weren't using the calls that are points people brought up on the boards. Of the three calls, two of them were points brought up by forum people (specifically @Vegas820 and @RyanSz). And, of course, the third call was actually brought up on the show, so I don't even know what was up with that. I mean, I'm not saying that I brought the heat this week, I know I didn't, but there were plenty of other people here who did. I'm not sure why their observations were bumped so someone could bring up something that was literally brought up on the show.

I get trying to pick posts that give Paul something to bounce off of, and I get that people can come to the same conclusions independently, but it really bums me out when people take the time to come onto the boards to share their funny and insightful observations only for someone to just call in on their way to work or something and gank their point. (This isn't even to mention the amount of times some of these calls he been almost verbatim recitations of things people have written here, but that's a whole other bag of worms).

I don't know, it just kind of annoys me.

But congrats to @Cam Bert@Smigg, and Justine for the win!   

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Ok no. Paul she has to tell her friend! Or at the VERY least speak to the fiancee. This is not ok. Being drunk does not absolve this behavior.  The fiance *should* be the one to speak with her and talk about his transgression. It's not fair for her to carry that burdon. I'm so sick of holding on to these little transgressions.  They weigh on your soul. Her friendship will be tainted by this and she and her friend have done nothing wrong yet their relationship will suffer for it. Worst of all her friend won't know the cause. 

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10 minutes ago, Cameron H. said:

Man, I hate to gripe because you all know how much I love HDTGM, but I really wish that if they're going to take phone call C&O's they weren't using the calls that are points people brought up on the boards. Of the three calls, two of them were points brought up by forum people (specifically @Vegas820 and @RyanSz). And, of course, the third call was actually brought up on the show, so I don't even know what was up with that. I mean, I'm not saying that I brought the heat this week, I know I didn't, but there were plenty of other people here who did. I'm not sure why their observations were bumped so someone could bring up something that was literally brought up on the show.

I get trying to pick posts that give Paul something to bounce off of, and I get that people can come to the same conclusions independently, but it really bums me out when people take the time to come onto the boards to share their funny and insightful observations only for someone to just call in on their way to work or something and gank their point. (This isn't even to mention the amount of times some of these calls he been almost verbatim recitations of things people have written here, but that's a whole other bag of worms).

I don't know, it just kind of annoys me.

But congrats to @Cam Bert@Smigg, and Justine for the win!   

I'm not going to lie I was a a little bit sad that my carefully researched statistics weren't mentioned but I figured that it was a bummer of a topic so that was why. I have been really getting annoyed by the callers coming in at the Q and A section because I feel it cuts the flow. I feel like if they did the phone calls at the start of the section it might be easier to deal with.

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22 minutes ago, gigi-tastic said:

Ok no. Paul she has to tell her friend! Or at the VERY least speak to the fiancee. This is not ok. Being drunk does not absolve this behavior.  The fiance *should* be the one to speak with her and talk about his transgression. It's not fair for her to carry that burdon. I'm so sick of holding on to these little transgressions.  They weigh on your soul. Her friendship will be tainted by this and she and her friend have done nothing wrong yet their relationship will suffer for it. Worst of all her friend won't know the cause. 

100% agree.

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26 minutes ago, gigi-tastic said:

I'm not going to lie I was a a little bit sad that my carefully researched statistics weren't mentioned but I figured that it was a bummer of a topic so that was why. I have been really getting annoyed by the callers coming in at the Q and A section because I feel it cuts the flow. I feel like if they did the phone calls at the start of the section it might be easier to deal with.

 

6 minutes ago, muttnik said:

100% agree.

I think Paul’s answer sounds logical, but obviously if this guy is discussing “intimacy issues” and then suddenly gets all handsy, it bespeaks an underlying issue that really needs to addressed. I don’t care if he was “drunk.” There was at least some level of premeditation there. Even if it was “Let me drink with her so when I come on to her I can blame it on that.” Also, the fact that the caller really went on about how nice this guy is, as if *they* were close friends, screams of a “Duckie Scenario.” Like maybe he was into the caller first, was rebuffed, and then settled for the friend. But the fact he was sober enough to discuss relationship issues says a lot.

I don’t know. I don’t trust “accidents.” 

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6 minutes ago, Cameron H. said:

 

I think Paul’s answer sounds logical, but obviously if this guy is discussing “intimacy issues” and then suddenly gets all handsy, it bespeaks an underlying issue that really needs to addressed. I don’t care if he was “drunk.” There was at least some level of premeditation there. Even if it was “Let me drink with her so when I come on to her I can blame it on that.” Also, the fact that the caller really went on about how nice this guy is, as if *they* were close friends, screams of a “Duckie Scenario.” Like maybe he was into the caller first, was rebuffed, and then settled for the friend. But the fact he was sober enough to discuss relationship issues says a lot.

I don’t know. I don’t trust “accidents.” 

I find a lot of times alcohol just let's out the thing that you want deep down because it lowers your inhibitions. You say how you REALLY feel about your aunt Susan and her home shopping network addiction. I also think women feel the need to let everyone know " He's not normally like that he's a super nice guy! So great ! It's fineee that he won't stop staring at me and always is a bit too sexual in his banter. That's how he jokes! Great guy" type thing.  We constantly apologize for the bare minimum not out right rapists in our lives. So what if every so often they get drunk and feel you up? It's a lapse. They're a GOOD guy

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1 hour ago, gigi-tastic said:

I'm not going to lie I was a a little bit sad that my carefully researched statistics weren't mentioned but I figured that it was a bummer of a topic so that was why. I have been really getting annoyed by the callers coming in at the Q and A section because I feel it cuts the flow. I feel like if they did the phone calls at the start of the section it might be easier to deal with.

Maybe. Personally, I’m not a huge fan of the phone calls in general. I don’t think they really work. Even on Unspooled, I find them a bit obnoxious. It’s usually a bunch of dudes who think they’re far funnier than they actually are. However, I get that’s just my personal bugaboo, and I can skip them if I really want.

On the boards, the regulars at least and not just the one-timers, we all try our best to bring something original to the table. I know that if someone brings up something up I was going to say, I either toss that point away or I try to add to it. Phoning in bypasses all the etiquette we’ve established that makes this forum the best place, full of the best people, on the Internet. :) 

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36 minutes ago, gigi-tastic said:

I find a lot of times alcohol just let's out the thing that you want deep down because it lowers your inhibitions. You say how you REALLY feel about your aunt Susan and her home shopping network addiction. I also think women feel the need to let everyone know " He's not normally like that he's a super nice guy! So great ! It's fineee that he won't stop staring at me and always is a bit too sexual in his banter. That's how he jokes! Great guy" type thing.  We constantly apologize for the bare minimum not out right rapists in our lives. So what if every so often they get drunk and feel you up? It's a lapse. They're a GOOD guy

Call me crazy, but I’m just a fan of 100% honesty in a relationship. If it’s nothing, then it’s nothing, but you can’t just cut this other person out of the equation when it comes to decisions concerning *her* life. You’re not the arbiter of what she “needs to know.” Fuck that. Let her decide. Trying not to “create drama” is bullshit. Maybe there will be drama and maybe there won’t, but she has a right to decide what she wants for her life for herself. How dare you take away her agency. Who are you to determine what’s “best” for her? Maybe the reason they are having intimacy issues is because SHE’S having second thoughts! Maybe the best thing for both of them is not to get married! But if you decide, “Oh don’t tell her” then you’re basically saying, “I’ve decided you should be with this questionable person rather than go out there and find the RIGHT person.”

Ugh! The more I think on this the more annoyed I’m getting - lol

ETA: And allowing a person to grope you  up to three times before you say anything is fucking insane - LOL

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2 hours ago, Cameron H. said:

Man, I hate to gripe because you all know how much I love HDTGM, but I really wish that if they're going to take phone call C&O's they weren't using the calls that are points people brought up on the boards. Of the three calls, two of them were points brought up by forum people (specifically @Vegas820 and @RyanSz). And, of course, the third call was actually brought up on the show, so I don't even know what was up with that. I mean, I'm not saying that I brought the heat this week, I know I didn't, but there were plenty of other people here who did. I'm not sure why their observations were bumped so someone could bring up something that was literally brought up on the show.

I get trying to pick posts that give Paul something to bounce off of, and I get that people can come to the same conclusions independently, but it really bums me out when people take the time to come onto the boards to share their funny and insightful observations only for someone to just call in on their way to work or something and gank their point. (This isn't even to mention the amount of times some of these calls he been almost verbatim recitations of things people have written here, but that's a whole other bag of worms).

I don't know, it just kind of annoys me.

But congrats to @Cam Bert@Smigg, and Justine for the win!   

 

That happened to me on the Rockstar episode.  It got to the point where I am almost certain that one of the people who called in, just came on the boards, and just read my posts, and just repeated them verbatim.  It didn't make me think "Fucking asshole, stealing all my hard work!" because I had a fucking BLAST finding little caveats, it's one of the few movies where I get to really deep dive into it, because it's the shit I know and love.  But it was more a case of "Mate, join in with us!  Have some fun",

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40 minutes ago, Smigg. said:

 

That happened to me on the Rockstar episode.  It got to the point where I am almost certain that one of the people who called in, just came on the boards, and just read my posts, and just repeated them verbatim.  It didn't make me think "Fucking asshole, stealing all my hard work!" because I had a fucking BLAST finding little caveats, it's one of the few movies where I get to really deep dive into it, because it's the shit I know and love.  But it was more a case of "Mate, join in with us!  Have some fun",

I think I remember when that happened. It’s happened a few other times as well. I want to say it happened to Taylor Anne relatively recently, but I could be mistaken.

But, yeah, that’s kind of my feeling as well. Join the conversation! We’re all pretty welcoming here (except for the truly troll-ish, but they’re pretty easy to ignore). I mean, I assume the argument would be something like, “Well, not everyone has time to be on a forum” but I mean, neither do any of us really. My initial post on this topic was delayed for a while because as I was writing it I had to pick my kid up from school and run some errands. My first post on Disclosure wasn’t until a few days after the episode because I didn’t have the time to listen to it first - and I try not to post until I’ve listened to the episode. We make time to be here, you know? Not that it’s a chore, mind you. It’s an absolute pleasure. I enjoy goofing with you all. And because I like you all, as you’re all real people to me - some of you people I’ve known for YEARS - and not disembodied voices, I get defensive when I feel like one of you is being slighted. If someone here goes through the effort of composing a thoughtful post, I’d like to see that effort recognized over someone who calls in and “ums” and “ahs” their way through the same point.

And I don’t think it’s really a matter of getting angry at these people. For instance, I don’t think the any of the callers today copied anyone on the board. I just think it’s annoying. I mean, if they call in with an original, mind blowing take that no one else has, go for it. But I think if it’s a matter of saying, these two people said the same thing, then maybe give it to the person who took the time to be a part of the overall conversation. Like, whether I have a C&O read on a Minisode or not, I still have fun discussing the movies with you all. Calling in is ultimately a one-sided conversation.

I don’t know, maybe that’s crazy.

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3 minutes ago, Cameron H. said:

I think I remember when that. It’s happened a few other times as well. I want to say it happened to Taylor Anne relatively recently, but I could be mistaken.

But, yeah, that’s kind of my feeling as well. Join the conversation! We’re all pretty welcoming here (except for the truly troll-ish, but they’re pretty easy to ignore). I mean, I assume the argument would be something like, “Well, not everyone has time to be on a forum” but I mean, neither do any of us really. My initial post on this topic was delayed for a while because as I was writing it I had to pick my kid up from school and run some errands. My first post on Disclosure wasn’t until a few days after the episode because I didn’t have the time to listen to it first - and I try not to post until I’ve listened to the episode. We make time to be here, you know? Not that it’s a chore, mind you. It’s an absolute pleasure. I enjoy goofing with you all. And because I like you all, as you’re all real people to me - some of you people I’ve known for YEARS - and not disembodied voices, I get defensive when I feel like one of you is being slighted. If someone here goes through the effort of composing a thoughtful post, I’d like to see that effort recognized over someone who calls in and “ums” and “ahs” there way through the same point.

And I don’t think it’s really a matter of getting angry at these people. For instance, I don’t think the any of the callers today copied anyone on the board. I just think it’s annoying. I mean, if they call in with an original, mind blowing take that no one else has, go for it. But I think if it’s a matter of saying, these two people said the same thing, then maybe give it to the person who took the time to be a part of the overall conversation. Like, whether I have a C&O read on a Minisode or not, I still have fun discussing the movies with you all. Calling in is ultimately a one-sided conversation.

I don’t know, maybe that’s crazy.

I think there's also a question of intent.

On the board, while there is the element of getting picked out and included, there's still the conversation between everybody, like the LOL thread, that shit took off and became it's own episode in its own right.  However, calling in, you're doing that to specifically get yourself featured on the episodes.  So, jacking other people's conversation, and using that to draw attention to yourself, and get a "good job, kid" has me in two minds, one side thinks "Are you that needy for attention, that you feel the need to swipe someone else's thoughts, and pass them off as your own?", but the other side is "Well, someone thought I had something interesting to say".

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21 minutes ago, Smigg. said:

I think there's also a question of intent.

On the board, while there is the element of getting picked out and included, there's still the conversation between everybody, like the LOL thread, that shit took off and became it's own episode in its own right.  However, calling in, you're doing that to specifically get yourself featured on the episodes.  So, jacking other people's conversation, and using that to draw attention to yourself, and get a "good job, kid" has me in two minds, one side thinks "Are you that needy for attention, that you feel the need to swipe someone else's thoughts, and pass them off as your own?", but the other side is "Well, someone thought I had something interesting to say".

Absolutely! For example, the second part of ChunkStyle’s response (the bit about “resting and vesting”) was in response to one of my posts which I wrote as part of the grand, inclusive conversation we were all having and wasn’t necessarily written with the thought, “Gee, I hope this gets read.” Of course it’s lovely and fantastic when he does read one of my posts, but even if he doesn’t, my good time doesn’t hinge on it. I just like talking to you all. :) 

When you call in, it’s not about community, it’s about “me.” I guess there’s nothing inherently wrong with that way of thinking, but my personal preference is, “Come have fun with us first, worry about getting on the Minisode second.”

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3 minutes ago, Cameron H. said:

Absolutely! For example, the second part of ChunkStyle’s response (the bit about “resting and vesting”) was in response to one of my posts. It was part of the grand, inclusive conversation we were all having and wasn’t necessarily written with the thought, “Gee, I hope this gets read.” Of course it’s lovely and fantastic when he does read one of my posts, but even if he doesn’t, my good time doesn’t hinge on it. I just like talking to you all. :) 

When you call in, it’s not about community, it’s about “me.” I guess there’s nothing inherently wrong with that way of thinking, but my personal preference is, “Come have fun with us first, worry about getting on the Minisode second.”

Absolutely, that's why I'm chomping at the bit for Ready 2 Rumble, and Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, because for me, those conversations are gonna be fucking amazing.  However, it would be rendered hollow on the mini-episode because Steve from Yellowstone calls from his car, "Hey, one thing I noticed... and here's one of the posts I Carlos Mencia'd from the board", and then hearing "Oh yeah, that's a great point, Steve from Yellowstone, bringing his A game this week!"

No, Steve from Yellowstone didn't bring his A game, he brought someone else's.

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1 hour ago, Smigg. said:

 

That happened to me on the Rockstar episode.  It got to the point where I am almost certain that one of the people who called in, just came on the boards, and just read my posts, and just repeated them verbatim.  It didn't make me think "Fucking asshole, stealing all my hard work!" because I had a fucking BLAST finding little caveats, it's one of the few movies where I get to really deep dive into it, because it's the shit I know and love.  But it was more a case of "Mate, join in with us!  Have some fun",

Yeah. I remember this definitely happening. I don't remember if it was the Rockstar episode but someone definitely called in and read a comment. It was weird because I was thinking the idea sounded familiar. Then too familiar and I had to check the boards. I want to say I even asked if whoever wrote it called in to read it themselves. 

I obviously don't mind when there's parallel thinking or a really obvious omission that anyone can come up with. We're not super geniuses here and don't expect wholly original ideas. But reading a comment word for word? Dang. What's going on in your life where you need that kind of validation?

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7 minutes ago, grudlian. said:

We're not super geniuses here

Hey man, speak for yourself!

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10 hours ago, Cameron H. said:

The MST3K version is on Hoopla. It might make it a little more watchable (although they might edit it a bit) :) 

Actually, the MST3K version is on Netflix with Jonah Ray! 🚀 

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The calls that are extremely similar to posts have bothered me for awhile.
I don't really believe it's malicious, but it does kind of feel like if you have a really excellent point and a caller makes the same point, the caller is going to get preference on the minisode all in an effort to make the episode more dynamic... and that kinda sucks.

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7 hours ago, Cameron H. said:

I think I remember when that happened. It’s happened a few other times as well. I want to say it happened to Taylor Anne relatively recently, but I could be mistaken.

But, yeah, that’s kind of my feeling as well. Join the conversation! We’re all pretty welcoming here (except for the truly troll-ish, but they’re pretty easy to ignore). I mean, I assume the argument would be something like, “Well, not everyone has time to be on a forum” but I mean, neither do any of us really. My initial post on this topic was delayed for a while because as I was writing it I had to pick my kid up from school and run some errands. My first post on Disclosure wasn’t until a few days after the episode because I didn’t have the time to listen to it first - and I try not to post until I’ve listened to the episode. We make time to be here, you know? Not that it’s a chore, mind you. It’s an absolute pleasure. I enjoy goofing with you all. And because I like you all, as you’re all real people to me - some of you people I’ve known for YEARS - and not disembodied voices, I get defensive when I feel like one of you is being slighted. If someone here goes through the effort of composing a thoughtful post, I’d like to see that effort recognized over someone who calls in and “ums” and “ahs” their way through the same point.

And I don’t think it’s really a matter of getting angry at these people. For instance, I don’t think the any of the callers today copied anyone on the board. I just think it’s annoying. I mean, if they call in with an original, mind blowing take that no one else has, go for it. But I think if it’s a matter of saying, these two people said the same thing, then maybe give it to the person who took the time to be a part of the overall conversation. Like, whether I have a C&O read on a Minisode or not, I still have fun discussing the movies with you all. Calling in is ultimately a one-sided conversation.

I don’t know, maybe that’s crazy.

I mean I have lots of time but I'm unique in my situation. I noticed someone kind of stole one from me in the Hercules one but I'm not 100% sure if they did because it was based on Greek mythology. In  their defense I did a deeper dive into the topic then they did but some of it sounded similar but again, Greek myths.  I'm fine either way  because it's one of my favorite subjects and I will read up  on it for fun whenever I get the tiniest reason to do so, so I didn't mind much if they did.  

Also I think it's weird for the ones that I have heard verbatim copying on the calls because I feel like they took the time to find something but get none of the joy of interacting with everyone in the group. A hollow victory in a way. Sure you got on the episode but most of the fun is on here! I would rather make a bunch of posts that are never on the episode but I get to talk to you guys and start an interesting or fun discussion than get one voice mail played. I *live* for that shit. I think the boards bring an element to each movie. I'm now like " Oh boy what are my Earwolf buds gonna say about this scene or this weird fact I know, or my still strong and undying suspicion of dolphins ( which will never die!!!)!" I love hearing about what the movie is called in Japan from @Cam Bert and @taylorannephoto feminist takes. I have fallen in love with @Cameron H. and your wife's podcast which I would never have found if I hadn't joined. I also enjoy your takes on movies too. 

The boards are wonderful and I love you all. Viva la boards !

The phone messages sure as fuck don't have a hedgehog!

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56 minutes ago, gigi-tastic said:

I have fallen in love with @Cameron H. and your wife's podcast

Gorsh...Thank you 😊

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Although my posts weren’t poached by callers this week, I was still dismayed that neither my discussion on the A. Friend reveal nor the Happy To Be Me doll were discussed by Paul on this week’s episode.  I thought both had the potential for good discussion/jokes.  Oh well, I’ll try again next week.

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