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Here are my random thoughts from my notes: As a librarian, I can confidently tell you that there are people out there that do Google searches that are as bad as the "scientific research" search that Duchovney did. I am constantly amazed at what kind of bad search terms people use. IMDB says that this movie takes place in Williamstown, MA, although I think they use a fictitious town name in the movie. Williamstown is a really small town in western MA. Their high school only has about 550 students total but the school depicted in the movie looked much, much bigger than that. And how much time is supposed to have passed in this movie? It's never winter and yet, winter in Western MA goes on for a good chunk of the school year. Finally, the horny guidance counselor shows up for her eye appointment and Duchovney seems surprised to see her, like she didn't have a scheduled appointment. I know my eye doctor doesn't take drop in appointments but maybe Duchovney does. That seems typical of him.

The Boys team up with fellow showrunners JARRAD PAUL and JULIUS “GOLDY” SHARPE for a panel about becoming each other’s agents.

My dad died while in high school and about 3-4 months later (I went through a big haze the semester following and can't keep track of what happened when) I was really depressed and a friend asked what was wrong and I obviously replied, "I'm just really sad about my dad," and she said, "Hasn't it been long enough?" (I now can't even remember the exact quote but I definitely remember thinking "she's right I should shut up about it." IT WAS ONLY 3-4 MONTHS LATER.) Your son has way better friends lol.

A bizarre moment for me was at the end when Hannah-as-Sam is signing her friend’s yearbook and when the subject of her handwriting comes up her friend says something like, “I really miss your mother,” and I was just thinking, “You DO???” This is one of the “friends” who was complicit in the whole, “Let’s get high at your mother’s wake” plan. At no point did I ever feel like any of her friend’s gave a single shit about her mother - at all. When they show up on their doorstep at the beginning, Hannah doesn’t even seem to know who they are. But apparently, unbeknownst to us, this one teenage girl had a real surrogate mother/daughter thing going on with Hannah. Something never brought up until the very last scene just so Hannah-Sam can tell us with a wink that she’s permanently hijacked her daughter’s body. #Momoftheyear

You're right. I forgot that this was an older movie, I was thinking it was 2017 for some reason. Once again I bow to the powers of the other Cameron.

Cameron, you've read more into those books then I did. The whole thing just left me with a bad taste in my mouth and is more heavy handed with the Mormon philosophy (which in a weird way, also crosses over into the evangelical Christianity purity movement in this regard. No sex till marriage, first love, the baby is the most important thing ever, etc) then Orson Scott Card's Alvin Maker series (which is like Narnia for Mormons). I'm not saying you are wrong just not how I read it.

Listening to this episode, I decided I want a movie that is basically a shared universe of all the bodyswap movies ever made. Jodie Foster and Lindsey Lohan and Fred Savage and Charlie Schlatter and Steve Martin and Lily Tomlin and Rachel McAdams and Rob Schnider and...I could go on and on and on. I want to see the Body Swap survivor support group film.

Her friends were terrible people. Just terrible. They were so damn insensitive to her mother's death. I have a 16 year old son, they don't act that way.

Hey, Cam, it’s okay...

Geez you really truly believe it's real racism to note that Van Halen makes white people music? Racism and sexism are about power imbalances; we fight it when a majority targets hatred on a minority. That's not even remotely the same thing as pointing out white people like Van Halen. It's not even the same thing for a woman to dislike the state of the patriarchy. See how it works, and how Nicole isn't it? Probably not, because you're an idiot. All she did was mention race and you flipped your damn lid. White people are such snowflakes. Get over yourself. Haha "boldly and directly disparage everyone in the room" haha so ridiculous. I don't believe it to be possible that you're even remotely a fan of Conan O'Brien. Go away.

This is the thing I found most puzzling about the movie. She was in a near fatal car crash and did "die" but all hear friends and school staff treat it as if she wasn't in the hospital or wasn't even close to dying but rather "on your mom died." At the same time she died but yet her injuries aren't so severe that she couldn't just jump out of her hospital bed upon realizing the truth.

I agree with the gang about how all their arguments and huge emotional moments seemed to happen in public. My favorite example of this was near the end of the movie when Duchovny is coming to terms with the idea that he’s going to lose his wife for a second time and he’s straight up ugly crying at work while looking at photographs of the two of them. Then, slowly, the camera pans over his shoulder and reveals a dude sitting in the optometry chair waiting patiently for his optometrist to get his shit together and examine his eyes. I can’t even imagine what must be going through that guy’s head, but I’d love to read his Yelp review: Arrived on time for appointment and was promptly led to Dr Duchovny’s unusually dim office to begin the exam. He sat me down, complimented me on my “beautiful eyes” - which seemed mildly inappropriate - and then turned his back to me for, like, five minutes while he stood crying over some blurry photos of nonsense. He kept mumbling something about his “daughter-wife?” I don’t know. I’m sure that’s not what he was actually saying, because that’s crazy, but it was strange and really uncomfortable. Like, what do you even do in that situation??? He just stood there sobbing and sniffling loudly. I know he’s a doctor and all, and I should trust him, but he was clearly emotionally unstable. I mean, I was there for cataract surgery for Christ’s sake!!! There was no way I was about let this crazy person anywhere near my eyes! Anyway, eventually he told me he wasn’t feeling very well and asked me to leave, which, at that point, I was more than happy to do. One Star - Do Not Recommend!

After The first time she tries to sleep with him I think Duchovny should’ve just called an exorcist. ”I’m glad to see there is an afterlife, I will see you there one day, but the power of Christ compels you.”

We've broken the Matrix

Oh SNAP! You C&O'd my C&O while we are in the C&O!

I don't think Duchovny was going to give up his lucrative optometry/matchmaking business to teach a person he knew was an adult mentally. Why would dropping out of high school further her academic success? The daughter was presumably on her way to honors level at school. The C giving teacher said she wasn't going to just let her slide by because other teachers were letting her. Then when she made better grades the teacher gave her the 'see I told you' look. She was upset that the African example lasted seven years. The 'scientist' said he didn't know if that was always the case because his scientific research only found one other similar case.

Well, it affects how I feel about the quality of a film overall, and how I feel about its various strengths or weaknesses. A lot of movies are concerned about depicting human beings in a way that seem human like (maybe not Tommy Wiseau movies, but most movies). Movies based on real events are also at least somewhat concerned about depicting those events accurately. In theory. In practice, I find that they usually don't. I think a line from the movie feels apt: Which, since I haven't read All the President's Men or know the details, I can't say the movie fails one of the very lines it gives. I find myself coming out of movies based on real events suspecting that they usually do. Especially as they start to resemble what resemble fictional films. This is actually my first time watching it, and with my usual reservations about the true-events based movies, I'm overall positive on this one. It probably helps that I do like the cinema verite style used in some of the 70s films. Some criticisms though: I was concerned about how much it flirted with being a political thriller (as it progressed it made sense, but the all-encompassing conspiratorial nature of it, thinking of the early librarian phone call, seemed a little dubious in how it was portrayed). Though, this weirdly does add another texture to my memory of The Conversation. Just the phrase, 70's paranoia. I think this is influenced by a growing sense of, "man, a lot of today's crooks just seem too... dumb. Just too dumb to pull of a conspiracy." I also wonder if we could have gotten some more background texture beyond news events for conveying the sense of the passage of time (unless I missed something throughout the film). e.g. changing of seasons. They were on this story for a few years. Watergate was probably too sprawling of a thing to do everything, but I believe there were more breaks in the story than just what Woodward and Bernstein covered (though, as the line goes, "Watergate wasn't an issue, until it was." I know we got the NY Times story on the banks, but I think long term, having slightly more of those in the movie probably would have given a better texture to it all. Though, maybe that would have gotten us back into sprawling territory that wouldn't have feasibly fit in a 3 hour movie or would have been too unfocused. Watching this has got me wanting to go back and re-listen to the Slow Burn, season 1, podcast, which I did listen to the first episode again.

This is one of my all-time favorite horror films, and an all-out legend in cult and British Cinema. Love this movie! And while not a traditional musical, music does play a pivotal role in... not the plot, per se, but in the overall sensory experience of the film. It's a movie about the endurance of dark, long-forgotten (or so we thought) traditions colliding with the modern world. A fantastic pick!

a t-shirt with a drawing of john lennon and garfield, and john has his arm around garfield and garfield has his signature droopy eyed smile and is saying "eat crow, jon. i've found a new john."

Here’s something I simply could not fathom. Hannah keeps insisting that Sam is going to come back so they both decide that the best course of action, to ensure and protect their daughter’s future academic success, is to just keep on keeping on. And, okay, sure, I can kind of get that, but why does she have to physically go to school? Why not just home school? Why does the onus of re-attending High School have to fall on Hannah’s shoulders? She clearly doesn’t want to. At least, not at first. They’re both intelligent, educated adults. Between the two of them, without the distractions and drama of High School, they could probably knock out her course work in a weekend, and then spend the rest of their time trying to figure out just what the heck is going on. Having her go to High School just creates needless obstacles and undue stress. On a related note, while I get keeping her grades up (just in case), I’m not really sure how getting underage drunk and doing drugs is doing her daughter’s body and brain any favors. It’s like borrowing a friend’s car and then shitting in the backseat.

I drove me crazy how little Lili Taylor and David Duchovny seemed to care about their daughter. They took their daughter's absence so lightly that I almost forgot she was a character sometimes. They should both be heartbroken that their daughter was so close yet so far away. I also don't get why both of them just assumed that their daughter would come back one day as if it was a given. Should Lili Taylor just decide what college her daughter is going to? What happens when their daughter gets back? She'll be in a major she never wanted! Lili Taylor was so careless with her daughter's life it was crazy!

I have a question about the end of the movie that they didn't bring up on the podcast. Was the reveal that Sam was writing in her mother's handwriting supposed to read only as a sweet tribute to her mother? Or was it supposed to raise doubt about which persona was actually controlling Sam's body? I would say tonally at that point it didn't feel sinister. But it also felt like the only reason to bring up the handwriting earlier in the movie was to go out on an ambiguous ending that leaves the audience guessing. But maybe I am the only one guessing.

As a fan of the early X Files I remember the episode when Mulder and another guy switched bodies, and the fake Mulder tried to sleep with Scully but she handcuffed him to the bed. De ja voux for David Duchovney I guess.

Speaking of that. there’s a part in Daredevil season 2 where Daredevil’s friend and Jessica from true blood are sneaking around Punisher’s old house. It seems abandoned and I think Jessica from True Blood points out a stack of unopened mail. I always thought it would have been funny if Daredevil’s friend turned to her and said “Jesus, I haven’t seen so many letters since I last looked at the alphabet.”

So.... isn't that cowboy/vampire/frankenstein tv show pitch just straight up Dalton Wilcox?