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Also which movie has a better "white man explains jazz scene", High Society or La La Land?

I love the movie White Christmas but it has the same problem, with both male leads. I can better understand Danny Kaye with Vera-Ellen but not Bing with Rosemary Clooney. It's especially glaring when you see Danny trying to fix Bing up with showgirls from his own show! (I bet they think it's a casting couch experience and going out with him would help their careers.) On top of that, Danny's dancing was in no way up to Vera-Ellen's level so they had to bring in another dancer to keep up with her. He looks much more the part.

Okay, here's the thing. I liked Bing, he has a certain amount of charm even though he was an awful man and he has some fun songs. Grace Kelly is beautiful and charming and wonderful. Frank Sinatra though... ugh. Like he brings the movie down so much for me. I wanted to like the story more but having seen The Philadelphia Story and I knew where it was going (for the most part) and watching Frank "act" for the first half of the movie was insufferable to me. The only person he seemed to have any patter or chemistry with was Bing and then the bad drunk acting... ugh. Overall, I want to like this movie more than I did but I think I'll just rewatch The Philadelphia Story again.

Was Spy Magazine a thing? All I can find is the real magazine started in the '80s.

I don't want to say too much but I liked it overall. I had never seen Louis Armstrong as a young man and he's in full effect here. I don't think it's a spoiler to post the opening of the movie but it was charming.

It's worth mentioning that Amy had A Clockwork Orange rated very high in her rankings during the 50 film check-in special, as she had it at #9 while Paul put it at #38. Despite her criticisms, which I personally thought were largely valid, she still has a very high opinion of that movie. As far as the rest of the conversation, it took me a little while to have the time to read through PureSly's post and the Vulture article by Angelica Jade Bastién that sycasey posted. And my response is essentially word for word what WatchOutForSnakes said, that there is a difference between calling for a ban on a film and calling for a film to not be celebrated in the same way anymore. I would never call for the former, and I don't think it's absurd to call for the latter, particularly since the exact same thing has already happened with Birth of a Nation. I referenced Gone With the Wind in analogy to Confederate statues, a charge that Bastién argued against in her article based mostly on the idea that Gone With the Wind has more to say than a statue does. And while I see her points, my view on Confederate statues is not that they should be destroyed, but that they should not displayed in public squares where they can be viewed free of the hateful context under which they were erected. I think it's more apt that they be put in a museum that explains how the United Daughters of the Confederacy have raised money to create these statues in order to promote a view of history that is racist and factually incorrect. Again, as Bastién says, Gone With the Wind was not created with this purpose, but I truly feel that it has a similar effect. I would never want to ban it, but I think too many people let it off the hook for its propaganda because they realize that it's wrong and they think everyone also realizes it, and that's enough. The problem is that 99% of the times this is aired or screened, there's no one to point out the inaccuracy of the propaganda, and a large amount of the audience does not realize it, which allows it to perpetuate these myths. Even the TCM airings I've seen don't properly address the problematic aspects of the film in their intros and outros. And I know that removing it from the AFI list wouldn't fix this problem, but maybe it would cause some people to ask why this film isn't celebrated in the way it used to be. And I'm in favor of anything that will get people to question this film a little more.

I went to watch this last night but accidentally rented the Japanese dub which was somehow the default. I didn't realize it at first because they don't dub over songs so I was a bit in before it clicked. I kept watching anyway and I watched about 30 minutes. I then realized I would have not much to add outside of "What was with Bing Crosby's super deep voice and Frank Sinatra sounding so young?" So going to watch it tonight.

I thought Uncle Willie was Keenan Wynn originally. After I looked him up (it's Louis Calhern) the voice still sounded familiar. Any ideas? I thought maybe Bullwinkle and Rocky but the Narrator and the Fractured Fairy Tales guys aren't him. ADDED ON: It turns out this was his last film as he passed the same year the movie was released. So it is both his and Grace Kelly's last film. ADDED-ADDED ON: The only IMDB credit I recognize is Duck Soup. I would have to watch that again and see if that's where I remember his voice from.

I really need @Cameron H. to stop reading this thread until he's seen the movie. Spoiler alert!!! I found the identity mix-up completely implausible. I wish I could think of the other movie where something similar happened but wouldn't the reporters know what their target looked like, especially because there was a galley of an article about him?

Fun fact time! As previously mentioned in the preview this was Grace Kelly's last movie before marrying Prince Rainier of Monaco. +They actually met because of movies, when Grace was the U.S delegate head for Cannes .) The STUNNING engagement ring she wore in the movie is her actual ring. The film's costume designer Helen Rose is the person responsible for her iconic wedding dress as well! Her wedding was the first media frenzy royal wedding and we wouldn't see anything like it until Diana and Charles. I know too much about this woman, and yet not nearly as much as I know about Audrey Hepburn.

Well, I just learned something. I thought the closed captioners had messed up. Shortly after the opening Louis is referred to in the captions as "satchel mouth". I thought I had heard "Satchmo" on the audio so I figured the captioners were wrong. (It's happened once or twice before. ;-)) Nope! "Satchmo" is a shortening of "satchel mouth", a reference to Louis' wide mouth when playing the trumpet. I remember Dizzy Gillespie's cheeks. I didn't know other performers had unusual characteristics. (Honestly, until the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, I never thought of Freddie Mercury as having an odd mouth. I just knew he had extended range but didn't know the mouth made that happen.)

You know how screenwriting 101 says "Don't tell it, show it."? Well this movie doesn't show it, the movie tells it AND sings it! We watched

I’d say it’s an 80’s family movie. There’s a lot in it that wouldn’t get by today (e.g. smoking), but was common for the time. I don’t feel like it’s a movie made with an adults-only mindset. There’s sexuality, but no actual sex. But then you could say the same thing about Betty Boop. A lot of the things that we might consider problematic today were present in those old cartoons already. Cool World is WFRR for adults.

I...haven’t had time to watch it yet, so just imagine I wrote some clever, movie related quip here We watched: Next week: theworstbuddhist’s first pick.

I did a quick google for rabb.it alternatives and several sites showed up. I haven't actually messed with any of them yet but there's still hope they'll work.

Holly's last second "I have a nut allergy" makes her character even better. If they seriously amend the song I really hope some regulars who haven't heard this episode yet are on in the next couple of weeks.

If I had a dollar for every time a man in this movie told Grace Kelly she was " Cold " and " not a real woman" because she was pissed her father has a mistress and has standards, I would have lots of money now.

I’m only about 20 minutes in and I can already tell you I prefer Philadelphia Story. And the age difference between the leads is jarring.

So I'm starting to realize I might have gotten Bing confused with Fred Astaire in Funny Face. Which I also haven't seen in a while but he's in his late 50's while Audrey Hepburn is in her mid to late 20's. Maybe it was because I myself was much younger when I last saw them but it *felt* like they were both so much older than their costars. I still stand by the fact he was way too old for the part of Dexter though.

Are you telling me you don't like when a movie literally tells you when it starts and ends?

Hey, no offence taken. I think Dalton posts terrific threads. I love him and am his biggest fan. But fuck Dalton, he’s gone now and I am the king (if he’s sick or something I am incredibly sorry)

This is great, thanks thejjar

Sorry if this has already been pointed out: In the final shot of the film, yes, anyone can clearly see the dolphins are badly superimposed over the footage of the actors, but did you guys notice, they didn't even bother to film both dolphins? They filmed one dolphin, and copy/paste/flipped it to get the other dolphin. Through the whole action of them rising up, they, complete with the water splashes, are a perfect mirror image of each other!

hey thejjar here keeping my streak of episode posts alive. 2 more eps until 300. im proud of these boys no matter what anyone else says

There were a few things that bothered me about the initial hunt for Baby Shark. First of all, I had a real issue with them hunting for the shark at night. I really didn’t feel like that was a fantastic idea. It's a fenced in lagoon. It's not like it's going anywhere. Also, according to the website Sharks-World, Great Whites are active both day and night, so it wasn't like this was a particularly strategic time of day to go after it. The only argument I could think of was that they didn't want to have to shut down the park to hunt for it during the day, but then I remembered that this was all occurring during a special Preview week and the park was only open to "friends and family." So, it's not like the park would be losing any money if it shut down for a couple of hours to take care of a legitimate safety concern. In fact, you could say ironing out the parks kinks - like maybe taking care of a ten foot Murder shark - is precisely the reason to have a Preview week in the first place. Another thing that bothered me is when one of the the people on the boat is handing Dr Kathryn the tranquilizer to subdue the shark, he tells her that the dosage is a "guesstimate." Motherfucker, I'm about to swim around in the dark looking forward baby shark that wants me dead. Don't give me your bull shit portmanteaus! I want real science delivered to me like a goddamn professional! Finally, did anyone else notice that Mike pushes Kathryn into the water by fully face palming her? Look, I'm scared. I don't know if I'm going to come back from this or not (she nearly doesn't). I don't know if the last thing I want to remember about my S.O. before I die is the thought of their shit eating grin as they shove their hand in my face and push me into an inky black lagoon of death. I mean, maybe he's just trying to keep it loose, but given the situation, I'm sure an "I love you, be careful" wouldn't have been totally unwelcome.