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Oh, one cool thing about this movie is seeing Sarah Trigger. She was in PCU with Jeremy Piven, which is not aging well as you can probably imagine, and she was in one of the greatest TV crime dramas of all time, the short-lived EZ Streets by Paul Haggis, starring Ken Olin, Joey Pants, and Jason Gedrick. Hey Netflix, there's a show that should be revived and resolved!

Hello forum. I like this podcast. Makes it hard to breathe and I get a high pitch laugh as if I start to laugh but then someone invisible squeezes my throat. It makes me have endorphins. I think it's because I'm laughing so much. I like the full commitment of Sean and Hayes to their own style of comedy, and how much they clearly enjoy it makes me enjoy it even more. They listen to each other as if they're both sitting across the room inside the walls of the same brain. It's a kind of irony with a deep layer of joy and playfulness underneath. It's often the bright spot in my day.

While I agree with June that underwear should never be too baggy or too tight because it also makes me uncomfortable I guess science says baggier is better? Apparently tight underwear is bad for sperm count According to a study done by doctors at Harvard men who wore boxer shorts the most in a three month period had "25 per cent higher sperm concentration, 17 per cent higher total sperm count and 33 per cent more swimming sperm in a single ejaculate than men who wore other types of underwear." Apparently the only people who need to worry though are those already struggling with fertility. Also apparently it takes 3 months for sperm production to happen? I feel like once again the American public school system, and in particular it's Sex Ed courses, have let me down .

Amy and Paul have nothing to do with the moderation of this forum and they rarely pay attention to it. To the casual observer, your first few actions after creating an account were to: Attack the hosts for not "understanding" a movie Attack the hosts for not sharing your opinion of another movie Carry over conflict from an unaffiliated Facebook group Post the same comment to multiple threads to maximize said conflict Start taking swings at other forum members I deleted your comment in this thread (while leaving it intact in the other) because it was an unnecessary derail of the ongoing discussion of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. If you wish to continue participating here, I politely ask that you lay off the invective.

There’s actually a song called Deadfall based on this movie. It’s from the metal/hardcore punk band Snot on their album Get Some. I actually heard this song back in high school, but never knew what it was about until I saw clips of Nicolas Cage’s crazy performance on youtube and eventually watched the movie. The song essentially tells the plot of the entire movie. The vocals are kind of hard to understand, so I’ll post the lyrics below. https://youtu.be/DC5r92nBR14 Well, I killed my dad In a con gone bad Nearly drank myself to death But when he died he said Lou had the cake So I caught a bus headin' West I saw the numbers running through a small cafe And I knew I'd find my uncle Lou That's when Ed stepped up He said pick a card Shape the con before it shapes you Who sent ya'? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya'? Who sent ya'? Who sent ya'? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya’? Now I met my uncle for the very first time And he sent me on a con with Ed So we came callin' on his girl Diane A blonde girl dressed in red I guess pigeon dropping was the name of the game And I had to pay my dues Well fun time Family fun was the plan Shape the con before it shapes you Who sent ya'? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya'? Who sent ya' baby girl? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya’? Sam Peckinpah tried to choke Eddie out But he cut him from ear to ear Then he grabbed old Lou said "We fuck now" On his face a twisted jeer He took old Lou to the same cafe' Eddie couldn't have been much higher When he tied him up It was his intent To put his head in that deep fryer Well, Diane told me I tackled Ed As we did a little wiggle and dance When we were done Ed got a hot head Well viva la fuckin' France man! Someone tryin' to kill me man? (Who would try to kill you Eddie) The fucking hangers! Someone tryin' to kill me man? (Who would try to kill you Eddie) The fucking hangers! Guess they may be friends (All fuckin' summer long sugar) Who sent you? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya'? Who sent ya' baby girl? Sam fuckin' Peckinpah Yeah who sent ya’? You shape the con or It'll shape you You shape the con You shape the con or It'll shape you You shape the con Hi-fucking-ya!

Why is there no “Hurt people hurt people” shirt maybe a shirt on the front saying dr. Frankenstein and on the back Frankenstein’s monster with pictures. Or a shirt showing the front page of the Hollywood Handbook comic book. You guys are getting robbed marketing wise.

Johnny Castaway, 1992, "the world's first story-telling screen saver."

Awe. Good question. I too would like to know where the fans call home.

Compared to “Deadfall,” Nick Cage’s performance in “Vampire’s Kiss” was subtle and nuanced.

Wow. Just out of curiosity, what did Guy Fieri look like in 1993? Also, just watched the merry go round scene and it was much more enjoyable once I replaced James Coburn with Trump and Michael Biehn with Eric Trump.

I wonder if Nick Cage ever thought about taking his brother aside during filming and telling him, “I’ve worked with David Lynch, and Chris, you’re no David Lynch.”

Joanne Whalley was also going to play Diane, but she too pulled out along with her then-husband. If things had been different, there would've been a Navy SEALs reunion between Whalley, Michael Biehn and Charlie Sheen!

This may not be either a correction or an omission but I found a nice snippet in an interview with Michael Biehn about the film. He said he only got the part because Val Kilmer pulled out, and clearly Kilmer was wise to pull out. He summarised the film by saying "that's the Nicolas Cage you get when you don't ask him to pull it back a little bit."

The food so nice they named it rice.

After Joe "kills" his father, Pete (Peter Fonda) says they're going to bury Mike in potter's field, which as everyone knows (except maybe the screenwriter), is a graveyard for unknown or indigent people, often with unmarked plots. The next scene is a normal funeral at a regular cemetery, with a standard headstone for Mike. This is not potter's field.

Which love triangle had the most explosive energy? Joe, Diane, and Eddie? Or Joe, Donut Shop Girl, and Pizza Guy (Nick Vallelonga). The thing I want to focus on is how little money Diane was given at the end of the movie. Her part in the con was the most insane in that Mike Donan thought a quick glimpse of a woman that looked Joe's mother would make Joe take specific predictable actions leading to the successful con. But Diane had to move to another town for who knows how long before Joe got there and establish a relationship with the most insane character ever captured on film. And then manipulate Eddie to the point that she could drive him to attack Lou at just the right moment. In addition to having to seduce Joe as well. Diane was basically doing all of the heavy lifting for a ridiculous plan and then at the end she got what looked like 2% of the take. Peter Fonda walked off with the same amount for doing almost nothing. Unequal pay is a serious societal problem and nowhere worse than in Deadfall.

Maybe it's called Deadfall because he fell for his dad being dead? (Which was a kind of a trap...)

This was the first time I saw this and only had a vague sense of its plot (I did know the possibility that the child wasn't real, so the big reveal didn't feel so big because there felt like hints early on). I do not have any deep analysis of the film nor much time to say much, but one thing I will say, I really enjoyed the hell out of this movie.

With its measly box office performance Deadfall debuts at number 2 on the least profitable HDTGM movies list. Only The Room has done worse, and only those two films earned less than one percent of their budget back at the box office. Also, I'm very concerned that I too did not hear about this movie until this episode dropped. Are we perhaps in a Berenstain Bears Scenario, and living in an alternate universe of previously undiscovered 1990s Nicolas Cage movies?

I made you all a thread you little couch monsters

To chime in - as a single, child-free woman of a certain age, I can tell you the pressure to get married, to have kids, and to refrain from having kids outside of marriage, is alive and well. And infertility (while not necessarily reflecting poorly on the woman) still comes with the feeling that to be a woman is to be a mother, and by not being a mother, you are not a fully realized woman.

Yes, but this is more to draw parallels between the couples, is it not? In Nick and Honey, we’re seeing George and Martha twenty something years ago - except instead of being unable to conceive, Honey had an abortion. It wouldn’t make sense theatrically for the only other couple in the movie to not relate. The question is whether or not they follow the same path or break the cycle. To the other point, the reason I don’t like that particularly rationale is that it suggests that if a woman - or anyone really - makes the independent choice that what they want more than anything is to be a homemaker and that having children is the most important thing in the world to them, that that choice somehow makes them less-than. I’m not saying you specifically, but I’ve definitely encountered that thinking generally. For me, that’s just placing people in another box. In my mind, true equality means being able to chase your bliss however you see fit without limit or judgment. That’s why I don’t find the idea of her being torn up by infertility to be particularly “outdated.” There are people in 2019 that feel the exact same way Martha does. That’s why I said, as long as it’s what she actually wants, and not something being forced upon her by George or somebody else, then who cares? Would it have improved the movie if what Martha wanted was to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company? Even if the trope feels overused, it’s something almost universal. At some point during their life, most people will probably have to make a decision about starting a family. Whether they choose to start one or not is irrelevant. The fact that they can place themselves in her shoes is enough.

I guess I just didn't get that Woolf was trying to be particularly "forward-thinking" so much it was an intimate character study. You said in your original post that the movie showed the "negative effect" of what not being able to have a baby can have on a woman and that this contributed to it feeling "outdated." Maybe I'm misunderstanding yours and Amy's point, but I just don't feel like the idea of Martha wanting to have a baby, and her subsequent frustration at their inability to conceive, to be inherently "outdated." No one in the film (surprisingly) ever tells her, "You are less of a woman because you haven't had a child." She's disappointed because she's being denied something that SHE wants by factors beyond her control. Societal pressure really doesn't come into play at all - at least not overtly. And I assume, much like the homosexual thing, had Albee or Nichols really wanted that to be part of the story they were telling, they could have easily written it into the plot. Ultimately, I interpreted Woolf to be a story about the damage unfulfilled dreams - particularly ones that never come to pass due to circumstances beyond your control - can wreak upon an individual, and by extension, their relationships. In this case, Albee choose for that dream to be represented as a baby. And while I suppose it could have been represented by just about anything, I don't feel like it necessarily had to be something else either. Unless of course the complaint is: "She's a woman so of course the writer made the manifestation of all her hopes and desires a baby." But as long as Martha retains her agency, I really don't see a problem with that.

Aside from just “it’s plot relevant so the characters need say something,” my head cannon explanation for why George tells Martha not to bring up their “son,” and why Martha spoils the beans to Honey so quickly, is that the next day, Sunday, really is their “son’s” birthday. Or rather, it’s the 16th anniversary of when they decided to invent him therefore making it his “birthday.” Because of that, I think it’s the day when the balance between illusion and reality is at its most tenuous. Their son is forefront in their minds so they are more likely to say something - especially after heavily drinking for 5 hours. It’s the reason that it being Sunday, or rather Son-day, is so significant. And why, as George says, it will last “all day.”

I've been stuck waiting in my car for the past couple of hours. I've been alone with a pizza, which ain't so bad, heheh. Here are my notes from this episode. •Hayes drops into dunk tank and it gets hot in the sunlight. He churns the water solid with his struggling. Flies out too fast and lands in cake. •Collecting "The Characters" like pokey mans. They must always really be laughing, but they're serious. •Arlo Guthrie literally murders fascists with broken pieces of guitars. •Let's shoot the film in the candy aisle of a CVS, Dogme 95 style. "Dogma" didn't come out in '95, but Dogstar was a band in '95. •How do Kate and John know how to perform snappy and fast with each other? It's highly coreographed. •Young writers are important because of their Duck Tales and Back to the Future references. Also Mario Kart, what would Yoshi do? •Sean's roll: he's naturally funny occasionally. Hayes' roll: it's just math to him. He went to every Second City school to study. Later traveled around starting new Second City schools. •Prone: you're on the tummy zone. •Supine: soup's on! •Kate is like Sean, naturally funny and untrained because Tisch School for the Arts is a mean school. Hayes' suggests a Second City multi level marketing scheme. •Sean went to Harvard, did mushrooms with Woody Harrelson, and gets everything handed to him now. •Marc Summers is OCD and hosted a sloppy show with a booger nose slide. •Making dancing plans. Kate: "2:30..." Hayes: "Time to go to the dentist." He reads books where he gets snappy answers. They demonstrate. Sean: "Are those your muscles?" Hayes: "uh... No... Uh... They're..." Sean: "like pet turtles or something?" Hayes: "No, somebody's building sand castles on my arm." Kevin ruined it by walking in while Hayes was talking. •Back to dancing, dance party somewhere unexpected like a laundromat or a park or a funeral. •What if Kate dies? What will John tweet? •Sean and Hayes almost killed each other for a while from passing an infection back and forth. If Sean dies Hayes will be a little sad for years, if Hayes dies Sean will be very sad for about 45 minutes and almost even cry. •John fights back tears. Sean and Hayes are excited to get some good emotional reaction. John gets over it, and doesn't cry after all, but he still "made it weird." •What's god? A fuckin' apple or something? What's religion? Hayes: "Yeah, we just go!", but not into the mic as much as Pete. •If Uncle John dies Kate's children will automatically get straight A's in college. •Sean got into Harvard really easy because his dad is a professor in another college in Boston and they'll just let you in for that reason alone. •John was raised religious while also understanding that he is gay. He was aware of his sexuality when he jerked off to gay porn. •Hayes knew he was straight when he was a little horny baby. He was also jerking off to gay porn and thought "I don't know if this is for me." •Kate knew she was half Jewish when she was in Hebrew school and wasn't as into the Torah as everyone else, and also thought "what about Christmas?" •Sean knew he was straight when he watched the pilot of "Crashing", saw Pete Holmes having straight sex, and thought "I could do that... Wait a minute, if this guy can do it, I could pull this off. I think I got this thing." He says he's getting close to having sex with his wife Steffi. •Some talk about being in post. Kate calls John "Edit Bae" because he loves it so much. •Chef Kevin has just been chilling. He took a couple of pictures, he does it during every show. •Kate has been thinking of having her own podcast, she should hire Kevin as a producer. Maybe some of The Characters can appear on her show. •Lauren's character as Pete's ex-wife on Crashing didn't appear in her episode of The Characters and vice versa. That made Sean pissed! •(at this moment I decided to drive around the block and fill the tank with gas, I did not take notes and drive. From recollection there was a discussion about what is and isn't ok to joke about at a dinner table. Kate can handle anything as long as it's not about her appearance or her family. Hayes suggests they just joke about food. Sean might order a stuffed flounder, and Kate would say "who invited their wife?" or something. Sean has to take it on the chin. Bill Burr can't order a Denver omelette anymore.) •Louie sometimes moves his closer to the opener. Some people don't understand why that's a big deal, but it totally is. Sean has to explain why to people, and that also pisses him off. •Wrapping up, the guests have red carpets to get ready for. They suggest that everyone watch their Gotham Award nominated Vimeo series "555" •Hayes warns that the awards ceremony sounds like the perfect place for the Joker to show up and introduce chaos. Also, suggests that they don't breath in the green gas and even to leave the room because it's often Joker toxin/knock out gas. Or it makes you laugh so hard you don't know where you are and the Joker can change your clothes.