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Did anyone else find the singing to be particularly...not good? There were some songs where I was just like, “no.” Of course, this goes back to the idea that everything was kind of half-assed. Had even one of the elements been better, I think the movie would have been more enjoyable.

John Goodman and the Coen Brothers. Always a welcome addition!

It’s not their best (not even the best song on this album), but here’s Rancid’s “Travis Bickle:”

Guys....... This movie is insane. Die Another Day (2002) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246460/ Let me just skim the highlights: Man with diamonds embedded in his face Invisible car gene therapy technology (spoiler related?) Sun diverting satellite Ice Castle ELECTRIC SHOCK SUIT! TIDAL WAVE WIND SURFING!!!! Seriously, even if this doesn't get chosen you owe it to yourself to watch this movie. For your time, I have included one redeeming quality about this piece of sh..

Akira Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune

I thought the singers were fine, really, for young Canadian Idol quality performers. To me, the songs were just so bad that nobody could save them. I just was browsing through Wiki. The lead actress has an EP under the pseudonym of Sureilla. Spotify, here I come

I thought maybe something awesome had happened to the app and everything would be different, but uhh I think this is all we get.

6-8 seems accurate to me. (I have nieces age 6 and 8. She seemed similar to me.) 6 seems a little young though, so I'd put her around 7 or 8.

Okay, just so I'm not being completely negative, I did have a little chuckle when the little camper girl asks, "Isn't it wrong to sing and dance when someone just died?"

1st rule of book club, tell all your friends

I went to Camp Wannaslaya

Not by much

That adds to my question about how the camp works. How did Meatloaf get guardianship in the first place? Also that means the sister and brother grew up at the camp or at least had to spend each summer there. In a normal camp (even one like Meatballs) they would be running the place by then, not stuck in the kitchen.

is it as sex-starved and horny as they portray it in the movies tho

It's not as magical as they portray in the movies

Oh, that makes sense. (I never went to camp )

That’s true, but I feel like if he’s the director at that type of camp, he’s at least a counselor - which makes him an adult for sure. (Not to mention he has alcohol. Not saying underage people don’t/can’t drink, but I’d guess he’s at least 21) Honestly, I’m not even that concerned with the main girl since she’s certainly over 18 if she and her brother are thinking of starting their own restaurant. It’s the other campers I’m worried about. It’s heavily implied that he is pulling this with a few of the actual campers.

Wes Anderson / Bill Murray

How does the camp work? Is it 2-3 months and the campers stay the whole time? It didn't seem like the camps of my youth where different groups came in every week. The production seemed to take place within a month. At the first rehearsal the director told them to be off-book by Thursday. If the rehearsal was on Sunday that gives them at most 4 days. Then the "23 days to production" countdown clock started. Someone further up mentioned how few people seemed to attend. I noted that at the beginning when there were only 3 school buses. Granted the buses could make multiple trips but I doubt it.

So with the creepy director kid, I think since he's in the beginning "We're Gay!" song we're to assume he's like the oldest possible age you can be to go to this camp? He seems like 18 tops and the main girl looks 16 (???) Obviously still creepy af but probably not the kind of creepy that we all got from it.

Thank you

Just to clarify my position, two things: One, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying the movie leaves a lot open to interpretation. That line stuck out to me, that's all. You can take it or leave it. I'm not trying to "infuse" anything. I'm just trying to look deeper than the text and not just trust everything I'm seeing and hearing. Two, I never once said that going back home and going to school was worse than forced prostitution. That's putting words in my mouth and absolutely ridiculous. I only ever wondered if there was the possibility that she might be being forced to trade one form of abuse for another. We really don't know one way or the other, but I'm thinking about what could be going on in a 12-year-old's life that would make her actually run away, and abuse is at the top of that list. I think that's far more likely than "Mom wouldn't give me an extra scoop of ice cream for dessert so I'm running away forever and I'm never coming back! (Even if I'm given the chance, I want to, and it's clear that I'm in an unhealthy situation)." The thing is, Travis never even stops to consider Iris' needs and desires. He tells her what's best for her. He doesn't allow her a shred of agency. You're right, there's never a "clue" or a line where she explicitly says, "My father was molesting me," but there's also not a line where she says ,"I miss my parents, it was a real mistake to leave. I want to go home." And there's a reason why these lines aren't there: because Travis never asks! He literally knows nothing about her or her past. He never makes the effort. He never asks, "Why would you rather go live on a commune than live with your parents?" I know this isn't your intention, but you almost seem to be saying, "Yeah, she might still be getting abused, but at least she's going to school." It's not like there aren't alternatives. For example, she could go into Foster Care. Maybe that's a better solution. But it's never even brought up. Beyond the fact that it's what Travis thinks is best for her, why is going home to her parents considered the "best" possible solution? Again, we honestly don't know one way or another. However, the whole movie is from Travis' POV, and he is unreliable as fuck. He's narcissistic and toxic. Given his mentality throughout the movie, what's more likely: that - despite everything else in the movie suggesting otherwise - in this one situation he was able to read between the lines, fully connect with another person, and intuit the best course of action for their lives, or that he saw and heard only what he wanted to in order satisfy his own malignant ego and skewed fairy tale logic (i.e. Storming the castle and saving the princess)? If the movie was about redemption, I would probably agree with the former, but since the movie seems to be about a never ending cycle of violence, than I'm leaning toward other interpretations. I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm also not willing to just completely accept the movie at face value.

One of the live shows next Saturday!

Pure Guava, best Ween album ever!