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TOM SCHARPLING and THE DOUGHBOYS come to the studio and get tricked by The Boys.

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Since the story is based on the author's own life, I'm curious if he actually did cheat on her. Even though he's a jerk, I'd have to respect him for not sugar coating it in the play. I'd think it would be too tempting for most people to not make themselves look better in the fictional versions of themselves.

Whoah man... That guy really got juked!

Hard. Thx

Yeah. I guess I didn't hate him yet. Because we didn't know who ruined their relationship yet. But his weird oedipal song was grossing me out. I think that's what really made me turn on him.

Possibly the best opening 2-3 minutes ever.

I didn't hate Jamie right off the bat either, but I thought he was a gd weirdo cause he kept bringing up his mom while in the throws of passion lol.

I totally expected there to be some kind of way in: in the version I saw I think Cathy sang 'I'm still hurting' and there was a projection of the number '2004' on the wall, and then at the end of her song it dialed back: 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, so it was clear that Jamie was in 1999. It led the audience by the hand a little, which I assume is what they were trying to avoid in the movie, but it made it clear. I don't think they used the date thing again for later scenes, but the idea is that they meet in 1999, marry in 2002, divorce in 2004. With this one tiny gesture at the top of the show, the device was set in place. I don't know if I hate Jamie in 'Shiksa Goddess' - it's more towards 'Moving Too Fast' that he starts to lose me. In the first song he's supposed to be full of love and life.

My thought was we were seeing the end of the relationship then we would see the entire relationship knowing it wasn't a happy ending. When it started going back and forth, I really couldn't figure out what exactly was going on. Had Cinco not told us, I don't know if I would have figured it out. But you bring up an interesting point that it really sets us up to dislike Jeremy immediately. I'm curious what how we'd feel if his story were backward and hers forward. Or if it were just chronological? He'd still be scum but would I have hated him so early?

I really wanna see this even knowing the insane twist(s)

Good lord you just created a character!

Hopefully you had time to print this one out and mail it to yourself. Gotta get some of them sweet Aucker-Bucks BAY-BEEEE!

Oh my God. Just read the wiki and I'm blown away. I'll admit, I had been interested in seeing the movie because I loved the cast and it looked like a decent mystery. Now though, I'm just gobsmacked.

I remember when I first saw the play being really sad that they had resorted to having Jamie cheat on Cathy, which immediately turns the viewer on him even more than they already had. I see the point to the emotional climax in that piece, but there's nothing that says that has to be the reason they split. It just seemed cheap to me.

I feel quite honored! I haven't seen it myself but I was reading about it on Twitter and then Slate and I thought "this sounds amazing." I need to find a theater showing it.

I feel like this is a big problem with the movie because its super jarring if you're not aware what's happening. Anna singing mournfully followed immediately by happy-go-lucky Jeremy makes him seem callous almost right off the bat. I haven't seen the stage production but I was aware of this musical before I saw it (a friend of mine was a huge fan and told me a synopsis before the movie came out) and I assume the stage production makes the timeline clearer.

Damn y'all went to two pages quick. This movie was kinda a mess for me. I loved parts of it, mainly Anna's songs, and then hated everything else. Jaime was the worst and Jeremy wasn't charming enough in the least to make up for his terribleness. And it's so obvious that the movie wants us to go into it thinking this was a two way street cause the tag line is literally, "There are two sides to every love story." That's such bull shit because Anna does nothing wrong this whole movie and like it's her jealousy and bitterness that he gets super successful that causes her to push his dumbass away? Nah, fam. That's lame. I was hella confused by the timeline until it got pointed out to me what it was supposed to be and then it made sense, but like unless people go in knowing that it's not well set out and that middle part, that according to CakeBug is supposed to be the most heartbreaking climax of this story, turns into a puddle of confusion. I honestly hope Cathy moves on and finds someone that actually deserves her soon after this ends cause she was so much better than Jaime.

Oh I was going to note, yesterday when I looked at this film on Letterboxd, everyone from the board here that I follow there and I all rated it exactly the same, which I thought was fun (like 6 of us in a row all did 2.5). Though looks like Quasar just broke the 2.5 star streak and put in a 2.0 haha.

Yeah. When I was watching it, I couldn't figure out why his mom would be so upset she isn't Jewish because I thought Jeremy Jordan wasn't Jewish. I looked it up and he's Jewish on his mother's side only. So, it's doubly confounding because, even in real life, his Jewish mother married gentile AND his character's mother maybe married a gentile.

When I originally looked up this movie and saw the lawsuit attached to it (ex-wife sued because it was too closely related to their real life story) I thought she was going to come off a hell of a lot worse than she did. I still would be pissed if my ex-husband profited off our failing relationship, but it could have been worse I suppose.

Looking at this again, I can kinda understand why the actors in it signed up as it's written/directed by Steven Knight, who wrote such things as Eastern Promises, Dirty Pretty Things, Locke, and The Hundred Foot Journey, so there was a definite pedigree at the helm of this thing. Yet all that does not push past that twist which is so out of left field for Knight I have to assume he took acid while on a fever dream and then wrote this script.

The only thing this ep is missing is an engineer jingling keys. Almost perfect episode

suck on these CBB. That engineer Cody.

SPOILERS!!!! Here is a video of the Jackal's reveal---