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I agree here with EvRobert. Animated, feature-length movies were Disney until at least the 90's. Snow White was the pioneer in that respect. Sure, others have clearly improved on the form, but it's a lot easier to do once Disney proved it could be done. I vote for it being a "great" movie, in that it was successful and still holds up relatively well (as opposed to say Pinocchio).

So, no DREAMWORKS ANIMATION? Are you suggesting that Road To El Dorado isn't worthy? What about Don Bluth? No A Troll In Central Park? Bakshi? Seriously though, Road to El Dorado is amazing and it's a shame. But I think Disney/Pixar has such a grip on the public conciseness that nearly ANY animated film is sometimes labeled as "Disney"

I think a legit argument could be made for South Park: BLU even though it was primarily known as a TV show, but I think an argument could be made that it is as groundbreaking as SW (a newer style of animation, catchy musical numbers, adult themes and language, poltical message, and lets be honest, it still holds up). The Iron Giant, as much as I love it (and I do--probably my favorite animated film ever) would be a struggle for it's inclusion

As a kid I never really liked a lot of the early Disney films all that much and that is probably because I liked the newer stuff at the time more and I always preferred talking animals to boring people stuff. So when I watched this movie last night it was probably the first time I'd seen in about 30 years. My memory of the movie was being slow and boring and after watching it I was shocked to discover that when watching it I didn't find that to be the case at all. I was pleasantly surprised how the movie actually moved. I mean compared to a lot of movies of the time I was expecting long scenes and down moments but I found that even when it was having a "down" moment it was moving along pretty well. Also, the animation is so good. I mean there are some issues with the softness of the human faces but the stuff with the dwarfs looks just as good as it did when I was growing up in the 80s. If it wasn't for the sound the animation is truly timeless which is doubly impressive when you think about how old it is and that it was the first full length colour animated movie. I hate to sound like a broken record on the issue of whether or not this film belongs on the list. I mean there is the argument that pioneering films belong on the list because they blazed the trail and set so much else to follow that later better films would not exist without them. I think that is why this movie is on the list and if you need further proof of that being the case Toy Story is also on the list. Toy Story is arguably not the best Pixar movie, it is also arguably not even the best Toy Story movie. So why is it on the list when I'm sure most everybody else would choose another Pixar film? The exact same reason that Snow White it. It showed us what we could do and it was something up to that point had never been seen. On top of that it is a solid movie. If it was a shit show but the first then yes don't put it on the list. Despite it not being our favourite or what we think is the best of Disney I don't think anybody has said that it is a bad movie. So a solid, good maybe not great film, that is timeless in a sense and a first of its kind that changed the film landscape, why not put it on the list?

I think people are judging this film as a story—when really it’s a tale. That’s a bit like criticizing a poem for not being a novel. Here’s an article that explains the difference: http://soulofyourstory.org/the-difference-between-a-story-and-a-tale/ “Observing a ‘tale’ is like watching someone float downstream with no specific goal, carried at the whim of the river currents....” I think that explains why the main character can seem passive or underwritten. She’s not meant to have the complexity or agency of a story character. She’s meant to appeal to more primitive, childlike emotions. If you think about it, children don’t have a lot of agency in their own lives. They live at the mercy of other people’s choices. I’m not saying it’s a perfect film. I just think maybe we need to look at it through a different lens.

Van Helsing the ride, being someone’s emergency contact when you don’t want to be, and more on this week’s mini-sode! Paul opens up the Explanation Hope Line, goes through Corrections and Omissions for Van Helsing, opens up the Mail Bag, and gives his Pick of the Week. Plus, find out which movie we will be watching next week! This episode is brought to you by Philo (www.philo.tv/bonkers) and Vrbo app. Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: http://www.earwolf.com/show/unspooled/ Check out our new website over at www.hdtgminfo.com! Check out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepubli…wdidthisgetmade Where to Find Jason, June & Paul: @PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter @Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on Twitter Jason is still not on Twitter (I hope no one minds me creating this thread )

I'm so sorry for your loss.

A podcast I love on Love After Lockup has a new episode out today and they actually mentioned me for posting something so that made me feel good. I think I might watch some tv? I guess I just figured I should be doing something. But honestly I don't really feel like much activity.

@gigi-tastic I’m so sorry to hear of your loss! For me, it’s best to dive into things were I can turn off my mind - so usually dumb TV or movies. Something entertaining enough to keep me from thinking about it, but nothing so heavy that it depresses me further. It doesn’t hurt if it’s a series of something either. Like watch all the Jurassic Parks or something. Kind of a little goal to keep you focused. Sorry, I don’t have anything more creative, but that’s what works for me.

Anastasia y'all!!!!!!!!

I love Road to El Dorado!

As a father of two, I 100% concur with Paul’s parenting advice. First of all, you’re never going to be in such dire need for unsolicited parenting advice that you actually need to search something out. And secondly, like he said, what works for one child won’t necessarily work for yours. Hell, with everything being equal with my own two kids, I have to adjust how I parent to suit their individual personalities. Like Paul said, go with your gut. No one will ever understand your children’s little idiosyncrasies like you do. People have successfully raised children before podcasts and parenting books and so can you. Just accept that you’re not perfect and you’re going to fuck up, but as long as your heart’s in the right place, you’l be okay.

I am relieved to have not won this week. I don’t want to go to war with the Dutch. I was corrected in the original thread, Dutch. Also, I can’t beat maps. Was anyone else SHOCKED by how VRBO is pronounced? That was the big takeaway from me.

The Secret is also available for free to stream on hoopla which is a streaming services some libraries use. So, potentially no need to embarrass yourself face to face by borrowing this.

I would watch this movie.

It does seem like most of the filmmakers' energy went into making the animation as great as possible. And indeed, even today it's a pretty dazzling piece of animation. Beautiful colors, creative designs, etc. They definitely succeeded on that level, which probably set the table for the future of Disney as the dominant animation studio in America. Given that, the story sometimes feels a little wonky and jerry-rigged. Not to a completely baffling degree (it's not, say, Van Helsing), but I think the storytelling did get more polished after this. Sometimes Snow White feels like almost as much an anthology movie as Fantasia, in that all the characters except for Snow White herself seem to live in their own separate movies and rarely intersect or even alter the main character's arc.

If anyone wants to read the original short story it's here https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm053.html Also here's this week's poster - I had to look closely to realize it was Paul and Amy lol

I've done some writing for children's theater and the hardest part is to avoid the lessons and moralizing. I think "adults" think that if something is to have value it needs to teach a lesson. Sometimes that can be subtle and sometimes it's Davey and Goliath. My children's writing has no redeeming value. It's all pie in the face and fart jokes.

So, haven't listened to the ep yet, but this is an interesting debate about the Disney films, particularly the early Disney films. Each film was bringing something new to the table, something better, something unique, and each has memorable elements. I think the Dwarfs are probably the most last element of Snow White and establishes kind of the comic helpers, Maleficent is probably the best of the early Disney villains, dumbo establishes more than Snow White the anthropomorphic animals. If an early Disney film has to go in (and I think it does) I would actually vote for Cinderella. I agree, to an extent, with both @Cameron H. and @taylorannephoto, on Cinderella but I think it takes all the elements that were built on previously (only Sleeping Beauty's villain I think is better then the Wicked Stepmother) and makes it into a crowning achievement. That said, I don't have a problem per se with Snow White being on the list, it's just never been my cup of tea. (personally I'm more a fun of the "Disney Sketch Art" years: Dalmatians, Jungle Book, Robin Hood)

Alright, so sitting on my thoughts a lot I do believe I am overly critical of this movie, but I also think that's a lot of what we're supposed to be doing when we get into these films, and especially when they get classified as being "The Greatest." I think that classification sticks with me a lot because when you watch these movies you truly expect them to be the greatest, and I really don't feel that way about Snow White. I certainly don't hate this film, but like I realized earlier I really don't think I like it either. Like when they talk about the way it was filmed that is definitely what I like about this, and the shot of the witch's face when Snow White takes a bite out of the apple but we only see her reaction rather than Snow's face eating and dying. That's a really stylistic choice that I love. If there was a list that was like a "Must See" or "Most Influential" I would absolutely feel that it deserved a spot, but once again I just hyper focus on what this list claims to be and I don't think it fits into that criteria. Then trying to get away from the "does this deserve to be on the list" conversation I do want to discuss what the film is and what its story is. To me, I feel like it lacks in story, and maybe that's because to me the most interesting parts are with The Queen and the least interesting are how Snow White "mothers" the dwarfs, which seems to be a giant chunk of the movie. But, maybe I'm being too hard on it.

Just wanted to put this out there Bodies Controversy

I just have such a problem with that concept. Like I get it in terms of Stars Wars and Fellowship of the Ring because the trilogy itself is the complete story and therefore the first of each trilogy made the list because then it does grab you into watching all three movies (and then by virtue see the films that actually DO deserve to make the list... i.e. Empire Strikes Back and Return of the King respectively). In terms of Disney, though, Snow White's story concludes at the end of this film and there's really nothing drawing you to then go further into the Disney catalog based on this alone. I find having a place holder movie to represent better movies made by the same company simply because it was the first of its kind to rather defeat the purpose of this list entirely.

Nice research skills, Soup! I had a feeling it was him because I've always been the biggest Tim Heisenberg fan ever. I just remembered that I made a plea for his appearance here before. It took a few years, but they finally listened!

Yippie-ki-yay special thanks to KindaGamey for the idea

So sad news. I just got home from a vet checkup for my darling cat Albus and sadly I had to put him down today. He had two emergency urinary tract blockage surgeries two weeks ago and a new one formed . They were going to keep forming . The vet said I did everything I could and after crying for nearly two hours it's over. I only had him for two years but Ioved him enough for two lifetimes. I still have his dad Godric and maybe in the fall I might go back to his breeder because she has another cat that needs to be placed and gets picked on like Godric did. I'm actually feeling better now ( it might be the migraine meds) but I was wondering what you guys turn to that lifts your spirits besides this podcast? Albus in case anyone wanted to see him being silly: