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Shit... I forgot that was a straight up thief as well. Seriously, between the criminal ways, the lust demon, the homelessness and the constant sexualization of women, why are we suppose to like this guy?

I assumed he either stole them or used the stolen American Express/checkbook to buy them.

So before we do the Pick Thread for next week, I just wanted to thank everyone for indulging me in this particular film, as it's one I love quite a bit. Also, sorry if my big rant at the beginning took things a bit... seriously. I didn't mean to kill the fun mood or anything, it's just the movie makes me think about serious topics and I just find myself taking shit kinda seriously lately. So yeah, thanks everyone!

Honestly, I wondered this to. My “no-prize” answer was while she was working, he was out busking. Since she was providing room and board, he could spend a bit of cash on new clothes.

So what we're saying is that in the hot summer months we're all trying to repress our lust demons?

Anything coming out of my tap is basically lava for the next two months, so I would gladly welcome an ice cold shower.

Okay, since this double posted I need to come up with something... Did anybody else wonder where the rest of Kaz's wardrobe came from? When they first start dating we see a montage of their activities and then later on he's got new clothes. Are those Chip's old clothes? Did she buy this homeless guy she just met a full wardrobe including a comical bow tie? Was that Chip's bow tie? Even despite this he goes back to a laundered version of this red sports coat and shirt. I get that it's clean now, but you have a bunch of new clothes, why wear those again? No amount of washing is going to get the sleeping in garbage out.

You both assume I want to suppress my lust demon. I let that sucker out.

Paul, June, and Jason discuss the 1987 comedy horror My Demon Lover. They talk about horny demons, the Mangler, the fully clothed shower scene, the castle in the middle of central park, and more. In which I learned that Nick from Family Ties wasn't played by Dermot Mulroney.

You make me sick. Not the fun sick where you lay in bed eating soup and watching Cheers, the bad sick, where you have diarrhea so stinky your wife leaves you.

Prepare to have your funny-bones ticked, your knees slapped and while you’re distracted your left kidney removed and sold for a profit.

First of all, Paul was wrong -- Alan Fudge did not play the nerdy guy who becomes the Mangler, he played Phil the police captain. The nerdy guy was played by Robert Trebor, who is perhaps best known for being on Xena. Also, this movie is character-actor central! There were a lot of folks in here to recognize from other projects (not just Calvert DeForest). Arnold Johnson, who played "Fixer," is best known as the lead in Putney Swope, Robert Downey Sr.'s great cult satire, and from recurring roles on Sanford & Son. Gina Gallego, who played Sonia, has quite a long IMDb credit list, but I knew her best as one of Rebecca's co-workers on Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. And of course, the woman yelling from behind the counter in the health-food restaurant was Lin Shaye, who frequently appears in horror movies and Farrelly Brothers comedies.

You’ve clearly never needed to suppress a lust demon. I hope you enjoy the view from your ivory tower.

The one line that stands out for me is when Kaz runs to take a cold shower to curb his horniness he complains "Damn New York City pluming, you call this cold water?" Water by nature is cold. When it enters a building it doesn't go through a special cold pipe to get colder, it is already cold. There is nothing pluming could do to make the water colder. Granted Kaz is a homeless mentally ill man who sleeps in garbage and probably hasn't had a shower in many a year. Is it the case that his body is so use to washing or bathing in sinks and from hoses that regular cold water isn't that cold to his body? Also, has the inability to get cold water ever really been a complaint? Has anybody ever jumped in a shower and been like "Hey this is warm, I wanted an ice cold shower because I'm a sociopath."

God, what a career.

When we first meet Sonia, it’s in Denny’s apartment after it’s been ransacked by Chip because Denny had the gall to throw a birthday party. Sonia is shocked he would be such an asshole just because Denny wanted to celebrate his birthday, at which point Denny clarifies that it was her own birthday party she was throwing. I’m not sure what’s more upsetting: the fact Sonia didn’t realize it was Denny’s birthday or that Denny had apparently never bothered to invite her best friend in the first place. Either way, when you add Denny’s refusal to visit her best friend’s sister in the hospital, there really does seem to be more behind Sonia’s decision to make out with Kaz than meets the eye.

The movie doesn't explain it clearly but the fake hand DOES seem to serve a purpose. In the scene where Chucky the Mangler is showing Denny is rat and bible he says "I can teach you how to make that glove, like the one I used to chloroform you. Its real easy." He then changes the subject to his "lab" and his TNT but that implies he built a hand that he either soaks in chloroform or, more likely from a practicality stand point compared to carrying a sopping glove of chemicals around, has a method of dispensing chloroform, which is probably how he can easily kill his victims despite seemingly being physically normal in his non-demon form. Also, I think Chucky did know he was a demon but it is weird that he never seems to turn into one until the end. I have two theories about why he didn't turn into one until the end though: one is that he is usually impotent or isn't aroused by simply being around women and perhaps not even murdering them. The only time his is aroused is when he sees Kaz meaning he's aroused by demons or by the intimidation of Kaz's demon form. The other is the opposite: he has complete control over his sexual self and can hold everything back until it is useful for defending himself against Kaz. Lastly, Kaz's demon didn't seem to have... a personality. It didn't feel like it was a seperate entity within Kaz and even when he was threatening he wasn't a specific other character, he was Kaz as a bad/horny dude or playing a character (Date from Hell/Mom). I feel like the demons in this film aren't fallen angels from Hell but something more like a familiar: a witch's spiritual assistant (according to wikipedia, malevolent familiars are considered demons). I don't think it had a mind of its own but it had something more akin to a set of preprogrammed actions to repel women while making Kaz overtly attracted to them and inappropriate in public to them, to add to Kaz's suffering. That said, for the most part it never did seem specific about what transformations for what situation save that the more Denny tried, the more specifically unappealing to Denny Kaz became.

What you're saying is that if Kaz actually came, he might have gone from Asmodeus to Belphegor?

He also directed the HDTGM classic Rad!

I really enjoyed this movie and the episode was fantastic While I don't think any of us can say for sure whether or not Kaz and Sonia had sex or just made out, I have to agree with Jason that Kaz smoking a cigarette is the accepted short hand for post coital satisfaction. My problem with this, however, is that if Kaz came, and is presumably no longer horny, what guarantee did they have that the lust demon would even stick around? I mean, I totally get the position they are in, and if it's their only hope of saving Denny, it would be downright irresponsible of them *not* to turn Kaz on, but no one said they had to go until completion. I'm just saying that it was a pretty dangerous game they were playing with Denny's life, and if I were her, I would still be kind of pissed.

I found it interesting that Kaz did not react the same around Denny as he did most other women. With most women, he seemed to immediately want to turn into the demon, whether it was with the woman on the subway or Denny's friend, Sonia. But with Denny, he spends a lot of time with her without any issue. It is not until they heavily start making out that the demon shows any sign of appearing. At first I thought this might be just another example of the film's inconsistencies. Or worse, that they were implying that Denny was not as attractive as those other women. But I think the film was trying to make a distinction between love and lust. He does not respond the same way around Denny because she is his "true love". This idea is reinforced by the fact that the sword Sonia grabs from her occult store is labeled as 'the sword of Asmodeus'. Asmodeus is known as the demon of lust. In 1589, a German bishop named Peter Binsfeld published an influential list of demons and paired each demon with one of the seven deadly sins: Lucifer (pride), Mammon (greed), Leviathan (envy), Beelzebub (gluttony), Satan (wrath), Belphegor (sloth) and Asmodeus (lust). It is said that Asmodeus' dominion is lechery - he causes performance issues when men are with their wives and induces their attraction to other women. Furthermore, one text described Asmodeus as a demon who perpetually spawns new demons to bring chaos to the world, inciting lechery and excess wherever they roam. Given that we know both Kaz and Chucky have been cursed by the same person, is it possible that the Romanian grandmother and her granddaughter are agents of Asmodeus who have concocted this honeypot trap to lure young boys in so that they can be made into these demons?

So much to unpack in this film: 1) It utilizes the racist trope of "ethnic" people who utilize or connect with occult forces: The Romanian grandmother who applies the curse; the Black street psychic ("Fixer") who shows Kaz his true nature; and Latinx Sonia, who has visions of the Mangler's attack on her sister. 2) Denny is rather infantilized. She has dolls on her bed, wears bear-footed slippers, and has a skirt with big appliqued Scottish terriers and fire hydrants. 3) Denny's position is a metaphor for domestic violence: even when she finds out that her Kaz turns into a monster when aroused, she thinks things will still work out, and that she can "fix" him. He later complains that she's trying to change him, a common male grievance. 4) Phil's fake monster hand just seems to be a clunky attempt at a red herring - that he's the Mangler but a "regular" man who disguises his crimes as those from a monster. There's no diegetic need for him to use that hand when kidnapping Denny, it's just for the audience. This is all soon dropped when we find he's an actual monster. 5) Yes, there is a castle in Central Park - Belvedere Castle, of course not as large or elaborate as Phil's. But how is there a Monster Castle in the middle of Central Park that no one has noticed?

He didn't know his own monster strength, and threw it long, past the water.

I don't think anyone mentioned that a "gris-gris" (pronounced "gree-gree" like Sonia's sister Miguela's store) is actually a word that refers to a charm or talisman that is meant to ward off evil spirits. Maybe this is some oblique rationale for why Miguela survives her attack from the Mangler? Or maybe, considering her sister is psychic, she has some sort of familial passport to the spirit realm and is able to resist somehow? Or maybe the writers of the movie just had a list of cool sounding spiritual-esque words and picked one at random for the name of the store. Either way, just a little trivium for you.

I saw this too but this was a change made over a month ago, so it couldn't have been anyone who heard the mini-ep and decided to do this. To be fair though from one look at the main character you can tell he's a dude who just drops ass as soon as he's in the middle of a crowd of people, and not silently but just rips it.