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Also which movie has a better "white man explains jazz scene", High Society or La La Land?

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I was about to knee-jerk say La La Land just because the white man "mansplains" it more but honestly now I'm not sure. I think I like Bing's better.

I love the movie White Christmas but it has the same problem, with both male leads. I can better understand Danny Kaye with Vera-Ellen but not Bing with Rosemary Clooney. It's especially glaring when you see Danny trying to fix Bing up with showgirls from his own show! (I bet they think it's a casting couch experience and going out with him would help their careers.) On top of that, Danny's dancing was in no way up to Vera-Ellen's level so they had to bring in another dancer to keep up with her. He looks much more the part.

Okay, here's the thing. I liked Bing, he has a certain amount of charm even though he was an awful man and he has some fun songs. Grace Kelly is beautiful and charming and wonderful. Frank Sinatra though... ugh. Like he brings the movie down so much for me. I wanted to like the story more but having seen The Philadelphia Story and I knew where it was going (for the most part) and watching Frank "act" for the first half of the movie was insufferable to me. The only person he seemed to have any patter or chemistry with was Bing and then the bad drunk acting... ugh. Overall, I want to like this movie more than I did but I think I'll just rewatch The Philadelphia Story again.

Was Spy Magazine a thing? All I can find is the real magazine started in the '80s.

I don't want to say too much but I liked it overall. I had never seen Louis Armstrong as a young man and he's in full effect here. I don't think it's a spoiler to post the opening of the movie but it was charming.

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It's worth mentioning that Amy had A Clockwork Orange rated very high in her rankings during the 50 film check-in special, as she had it at #9 while Paul put it at #38. Despite her criticisms, which I personally thought were largely valid, she still has a very high opinion of that movie. As far as the rest of the conversation, it took me a little while to have the time to read through PureSly's post and the Vulture article by Angelica Jade Bastién that sycasey posted. And my response is essentially word for word what WatchOutForSnakes said, that there is a difference between calling for a ban on a film and calling for a film to not be celebrated in the same way anymore. I would never call for the former, and I don't think it's absurd to call for the latter, particularly since the exact same thing has already happened with Birth of a Nation. I referenced Gone With the Wind in analogy to Confederate statues, a charge that Bastién argued against in her article based mostly on the idea that Gone With the Wind has more to say than a statue does. And while I see her points, my view on Confederate statues is not that they should be destroyed, but that they should not displayed in public squares where they can be viewed free of the hateful context under which they were erected. I think it's more apt that they be put in a museum that explains how the United Daughters of the Confederacy have raised money to create these statues in order to promote a view of history that is racist and factually incorrect. Again, as Bastién says, Gone With the Wind was not created with this purpose, but I truly feel that it has a similar effect. I would never want to ban it, but I think too many people let it off the hook for its propaganda because they realize that it's wrong and they think everyone also realizes it, and that's enough. The problem is that 99% of the times this is aired or screened, there's no one to point out the inaccuracy of the propaganda, and a large amount of the audience does not realize it, which allows it to perpetuate these myths. Even the TCM airings I've seen don't properly address the problematic aspects of the film in their intros and outros. And I know that removing it from the AFI list wouldn't fix this problem, but maybe it would cause some people to ask why this film isn't celebrated in the way it used to be. And I'm in favor of anything that will get people to question this film a little more.

I went to watch this last night but accidentally rented the Japanese dub which was somehow the default. I didn't realize it at first because they don't dub over songs so I was a bit in before it clicked. I kept watching anyway and I watched about 30 minutes. I then realized I would have not much to add outside of "What was with Bing Crosby's super deep voice and Frank Sinatra sounding so young?" So going to watch it tonight.

I thought Uncle Willie was Keenan Wynn originally. After I looked him up (it's Louis Calhern) the voice still sounded familiar. Any ideas? I thought maybe Bullwinkle and Rocky but the Narrator and the Fractured Fairy Tales guys aren't him. ADDED ON: It turns out this was his last film as he passed the same year the movie was released. So it is both his and Grace Kelly's last film. ADDED-ADDED ON: The only IMDB credit I recognize is Duck Soup. I would have to watch that again and see if that's where I remember his voice from.

I really need @Cameron H. to stop reading this thread until he's seen the movie. Spoiler alert!!! I found the identity mix-up completely implausible. I wish I could think of the other movie where something similar happened but wouldn't the reporters know what their target looked like, especially because there was a galley of an article about him?

Fun fact time! As previously mentioned in the preview this was Grace Kelly's last movie before marrying Prince Rainier of Monaco. +They actually met because of movies, when Grace was the U.S delegate head for Cannes .) The STUNNING engagement ring she wore in the movie is her actual ring. The film's costume designer Helen Rose is the person responsible for her iconic wedding dress as well! Her wedding was the first media frenzy royal wedding and we wouldn't see anything like it until Diana and Charles. I know too much about this woman, and yet not nearly as much as I know about Audrey Hepburn.

Well, I just learned something. I thought the closed captioners had messed up. Shortly after the opening Louis is referred to in the captions as "satchel mouth". I thought I had heard "Satchmo" on the audio so I figured the captioners were wrong. (It's happened once or twice before. ;-)) Nope! "Satchmo" is a shortening of "satchel mouth", a reference to Louis' wide mouth when playing the trumpet. I remember Dizzy Gillespie's cheeks. I didn't know other performers had unusual characteristics. (Honestly, until the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, I never thought of Freddie Mercury as having an odd mouth. I just knew he had extended range but didn't know the mouth made that happen.)

You know how screenwriting 101 says "Don't tell it, show it."? Well this movie doesn't show it, the movie tells it AND sings it! We watched

I’d say it’s an 80’s family movie. There’s a lot in it that wouldn’t get by today (e.g. smoking), but was common for the time. I don’t feel like it’s a movie made with an adults-only mindset. There’s sexuality, but no actual sex. But then you could say the same thing about Betty Boop. A lot of the things that we might consider problematic today were present in those old cartoons already. Cool World is WFRR for adults.

NATALIE MORALES returns to the show after telling an exclusive Hollywood Handbook story on Late Night.

If I click like on Dalton's post am I thanking him for posting or am I saying I like the episode? This is getting too meta.

Aztecs did it, Olmecs did it—even educated Zapotecs did it—let’s do it, let’s grow some corn!

The video store I worked at had two copies of WFRR; one copy was in the comedy section and the other was in the children's section. Make of that what you will. Watership Down was also in the children's section, though I later manually changed it to the special interests section as I wouldn't call Watership Down light children's fare.

I think you make a fair point that Amy is being inconsistent in her treatment of Scarlett vs. Alex (and I guess Travis Bickle too, though she mentions that in the episode), but I will also say here that in the long run you'll probably be better off if you let go of any expectation that artistic criticism is ever going to be "objective." Everyone has their biases.

I agree that it didn't feel like a Cole Porter musical (except for Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? (sic)). My only other immersion is with Kiss Me Kate. Those songs pop and these are languorous.

So the music is by the great Cole Porter. Did anyone else find that the style of music didn't feel like a Cole Porter song? I love his music and I don't know if the songs were written in the same time period or what but you can tell that Dream A Little Dream Of Me, Delovely, Your The Tops, Lets Do It( Lets Fall In Love), Love For Sale, and Night and Day are all by the same composer. Not that they sound alike exactly but there's... I don't know they have a flow to them? Maybe this is just his lesser work. I know that besides the opening, Who Wants To Be A Millionaire,and What A Swell Party( mostly because it was two greats together than the actual song) I was more interested in the speaking parts of this musical than the songs which was not a great sign. I did enjoy Samantha but that felt more like a song for radio than a musical because it was literally just a single refrain or two.

Cool World is WFRR for no one.

I love that we are all united in our never ending judgment of Sea World! Also I'm still mad on behalf of the caller whose in laws are sending them baby clothes without a bsby. Donate them to a local shelter for domestic abuse they can always take things like that I think