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I love this! I do feel men like women like Paris who let themselves be viewed as dumb and blank canvases for them to fill in the details of what they think that the woman really is. They enjoy having the ability to see what they want. I just finished this and June does end up with the main love interest. Unfortunately as you mentioned she goes through truly painful procedures in order for him to see her as a viable person worthy of love. I actually didn't hate Paris' character in this. She very clearly cared for her friend, they have a deep close bond. She looks out for her, multiple times she tried to say she was uncomfortable with the situation and felt her boyfriend was pushing things. She works for a non profit and is passionate about yoga and fitness. When it comes to her friend's transformation She feels supportive because she thinks she wants it and isn't like forcing her. She has some layers. Not many because this movie is a hellscape written by Nice Guys but she's not The Worst. She even is happy when her boyfriend leaves her for her friend because she wants her to be happy.

Description: Recorded live from Charleston, South Carolina, Paul, June, and Jason discuss the 2008 romantic comedy The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. They talk about June auditioning for the role of the Nottie, earth suits, the stalker, farts, and much more. This episode is brought to you by Bombas (www.bombas.com/BONKERS), World of Warcraft Classic (www.wowclassic.com/howdidthisgetmade), and Starbucks Triple Shot Energy Drink. Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: http://www.earwolf.com/show/unspooled/ Check out our tour dates over at www.hdtgminfo.com! Check out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepubli…wdidthisgetmade Where to Find Jason, June & Paul: @PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter @Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on twitter it is still very early here on the East Coast but my neighbor kept me up by watching very loud movies and I will murder him eventually. I didnt watch this movie and I am so glad after listening to this episode. It sounds like it was written by incels. Maybe it originated on 8chan. There is a huge problem with media in our society where men EXPECT to be able to date a woman like Paris Hilton just for being. They don’t have to be smart or funny or earn a “high status” mate (and here I would point out that there is an issue with a woman being hot and dumb—which is her persona, I have never met her—as being that “thing” that every man wants). i would like to believe there was another version of the script where the main guy ends up with June, and it was about realizing looks don’t matter, and that perhaps the studio decided he had to end up with Paris Hilton if it’s a Paris Hilton movie. That is perhaps the nicest thing I can think to say. I’d also like to point out that the actress who did get the role of June, was on the TGIF show “Step-by-Step” and I thought she was gorgeous. The fact that they can’t even find an average looking person to give those teeth to is a scathing indictment of how Hollywood treats women in and of itself. They don’t exist in Hollywood’s world. ETA: did anyone have a crush in 1st grade? That seems to early to me. Isn’t there a thing where people who are molested are sexual too young? Could that be what is happening?

I haven't finished the movie yet but I need to write Gloria Steinem a personal letter of apology and donate to the Geena David Institute on Gender in Media like NOW. The shame and more importantly THE RAGE I feel as a woman and an intersectional feminist! Ooooh boy!

I have a kind of third hand Paris Hilton story. As you guys know, I work in book publishing. Many years ago, Paris came out with a book that was very pink and shiny. I believe it was mostly pictures. Now, this is going to shock you. But she didn't write the book. In fact, most celebrities doesn't write their own books. They have ghostwriters for that. (I believe there was some internet meme a couple years ago about a sports guy--?--who was asked about stuff in his autobiography and he said he didn't read it.) But I was told (and again, I have no actual proof of this so it might not be good for the mini): that Paris had the editor's assistant call her on the phone every night after work so he could read the book aloud to her. A man told me this story. I believe the point of it was, "Paris Hilton can't read, isn't that hilarious?" But I sort of thought it was kind of dedicated, if she has some kind of reading trouble to find a way to get the content anyway? It's like Audible but for her own book, as it was being worked created. This has oddly endeared her to me for some reason. She could have just not known what was in it. (But I hope that assistant got overtime.) She don't read good but she dedicated.

I had a crush in maybe 1st or 2nd grade, but it certainly wasn’t sexual. We just made each other laugh at school and I thought she was pretty. I do not keep a picture of her in my dresser. That’s creepy-crazy!

you know your movie had a fuckboi when the opening scene with a woman smashing a guitar over a man's head has you screaming "YAS GIRL!" I'm a bisexual woman and watching this movie I came to realize that Paris and June should have ended up together and had the only healthy relationship in the film. They lived together, have a deep close relationship between the two and have for years, care about the others happiness and want the best for the other / support them. They belong together! I don't think Paris would have ever needed June to change her appearance. I think she supported her friend for her friend's sake but I truly think she loves her just fine. They are so clearly in a sapphic relationship and if this movie wasn't written by incel Nice Guys I would love to see that explored. Except not because watching Paris Hilton act is far too painful. But the story of women constantly being sexualized by the male gaze while in a committed same sex relationship is nothing new. The optics can get worse on both sides if the woman is bisexual, pansexual, or queer like I am reading Paris's character to be. Then both lesbians and men judge you as not being one thing truly. Men tend to try to " turn " you regardless whereas some lesbians just refuse to have anything to do with you.

The Hottie & The Nottie comes in at #4 on the HDTGM least profitable movies list. It joins The Room, Gooby, and Deadfall in the list of movies that made less than 1% of their budget back at the box office. Oof magoof! I've updated the HDTGM info site with the most recent stats, along with an update of graph code. There are three new info graphs: the least expensive movies (because why not), movies covered the soonest after their release, and cities hosting live shows. I've been wanting to do something with the live show location data, so this is a first stab at showing it.

I’m doing well, Elektra. How are you?

What Mario game was the creepy friend playing? It kind of looked like New Super Mario Bros but that wasn't on a console when this movie came out. It was clearly playing Super Mario Bros 1 music. It kind of looked like he was using a Gamecube controller.

margaret did real good check out my Nice Big Book of Hollywood Handbook movie posters, 60+ pages of the boys! primitiverecon.com/nicebigbook

MARGARET CHO joins The Boys to discuss all their tattoo.

I've survived through so many awful films, but I couldn't stomach this one after about 15 minutes, and had to turn it off. The misogyny and overdetermination of June's "ugliness" was just too much to bear. And - who the hell holds a torch for their first grade crush, not having seen them since then? Is this guy so pathetic and out of ideas that his best plan is to chase after someone from elementary school?

I'm just going to put this out there as a single woman who refuses to settle. Buy a great vibrator and never feel unsatisfied in life. I am still haunted by that man and his poor poor wife. Love yourself ladies metaphorically and literally.

The extended cut of Heaven's Gate is great. It could have been shorter I suppose but I've never seen the theatrical cut to compare. I do think it's weird that the shorter cut left in the full roller skating scene which felt long in the extended cut.

How are you today, Cameron?

Awww, motherfucker, Elektra! Great minds think alike! (Dan, could you please delete my superfluous thread?)

I feel that they’ve truly fucked us here. They didn’t like all the feedback from the Little Italy episode, were rubbed the wrong way by the classic Torontonian need to be recognized as notable outside of our own little world, and decided to just take us to the bone zone by saddling is with a ridiculous non-movie that we can’t even gain access to. This, despite my repeated pleas that they do Slumber Party Massacre II. I even promised to let Jason hold my baby if they did SPM2. I’m still going to attend, but will definitely leave the baby at home. Might bring my copy of SPM2 and give it to Paul. On second thought, it’s too valuable to me, but I would consider giving him the DVD case with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen inside.

I can’t say I’m surprised lol

The comment about salsa/sauce/gravy reminds me of at least one Law & Order: Criminal Intent episode. A financial scheme was described as "A game of Snakes & Ladders" (Chutes & Ladders in my childhood.) Another reference was that a character's Swiss criminal record would include his dirty "nappies" (diapers).

I really enjoyed this from the music (add me to the list of people who didn't know The Impossible Dream was from this musical), to the set, to the quippy one-liners, to Peter O' Toole's physical comedy. Ngl, I teared up a little at the end. Re: the gang rape. You could interpret it as being a necessary scene to show the differences between the brutal reality of Aldonza's life and Don Quixote's perception of Dulcinea, but on the other hand, I don't know if they had to beat us over the head with it so much? But on the other other hand, maybe it's better that they didn't sugarcoat it? Anyhoo...did anyone else catch Sancho's line "hunger is the best gravy in the world"? It's kind of a throwaway line, but it stuck out to me because Spain doesn't do gravy as we know it. Apparently, the line in Spanish is "la mejor salsa del mundo es el hambre." Usually, if you see salsa on menus, it means "sauce." I mean, gravy is a type of sauce, but I feel like it's an odd translation choice, unless they meant this type of gravy...

Hopefully they are able to fully thwart Baby Don’t and the treacherous chef Kevin

flaken : (n) a flagon formed from a kraken ("is that how you say it?")

So real. Margaret Cho. the bait is having the name oops Apologies - BOSCH

How has THIS not been made into a podcast episode!? This is BY FAR the most HDTGM-able movie in the early JCVD canon. I had not seen it until this weekend and I was laughing the entire way through having an imaginary HDTGM play in my head as I watched. I could go on explaining why you should cover this movie, but I'll let a clip speak for itself.